Playoff expansion is the wrong way to go

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RhodesVol said:
This to me is why the bowl games are less meaningful. There are just far too many of them.

I would be all for eliminating all but the major bowls that you've discussed. Then it would really mean something to get to a bowl game.
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This is why I don't understand why people say "the playoff ruined bowls". It's such a stupid statement. If anything "ruined" bowl games it's that every 6-6 team get a bowl. Personally I don't mind, more football more better. But if someone is going to blame a playoff for people not caring about the Bahamas Bowl, then that's quite misguided.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This is why I don't understand why people say "the playoff ruined bowls". It's such a stupid statement. If anything "ruined" bowl games it's that every 6-6 team get a bowl. Personally I don't mind, more football more better. But if someone is going to blame a playoff for people not caring about the Bahamas Bowl, then that's quite misguided.
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I fully agree. Bowls were diluted over time with the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl, the Dukes Mayo Bowl, and the like. If there is a legitimate argument against the "participation trophy" culture, it's the promulgation of more and more bowl games.

That said, the bowls won't go away because these companies have got to make their money. So, I think we just hope the expanded playoff is good, and relish the opportunity to get a home playoff game in Neyland Stadium. That would be a beautiful experience.
 
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05_never_again said:
ESPN has ruined CFB by televising all the games in HD. Got it.

The game has always been in a state of change since it has been played. You don't like these changes because you perceive them to be bad for UT, and/or because UT is not good in the current era of the sport that features these things.
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No, I don't like the changes because its not authentic collegiate athletics. Its not the games being televised part that I hate. Its that ESPN controls the decision making in college football.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
This is why I don't understand why people say "the playoff ruined bowls". It's such a stupid statement. If anything "ruined" bowl games it's that every 6-6 team get a bowl. Personally I don't mind, more football more better. But if someone is going to blame a playoff for people not caring about the Bahamas Bowl, then that's quite misguided.
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Players opting out of bowl games is a recent cultural phenomenon that I don't think has anything to do with the playoff or every 6-win team getting a bowl for that matter. If the playoff ruined bowls, then why didn't the BCS, Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, or the simple fact that some bowl games have always been viewed as more prestigious than the others ruined bowls?

IMO, guys opt out of bowl games now because the notion that players should be paid, have more control over their own destiny with regard to things like transfers, etc., which had been brewing for decades, finally hit escape velocity within the past few years.
 
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give_him 6 said:
No, I don't like the changes because its not authentic collegiate athletics. Its not the games being televised part that I hate. Its that ESPN controls the decision making in college football.
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Do tell, what is "authentic" college athletics?

If by ESPN controlling the decision-making in college athletics you mean money controlling the decision-making, congratulations! You've discovered what controls the decision-making in almost every possible endeavor from the beginning of time.

It isn't that people don't like change...people don't like change that they perceive (rightly or wrongly) to not be in their interest.
 
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RhodesVol said:
The Daves on the call. The same commercial of the player running through the tires played during every commercial break. The terrible cameras. Ahh, nostalgia.
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JP was awful. 😂

We used to clown UGA and LSU for playing on Jefferson Pilot back then.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Us too. But it was fun to watch.
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It was a poorly produced TV product with at least one really bad football team...all the time, every Saturday.

There was no prestige or allure associated with playing at noon on Jefferson Pilot. It meant either your team sucked, or your opponent sucked…AND there were other compelling games worth waiting for at 3:30.

Jefferson Pilot was garbage.
 
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RhodesVol said:
I do love the idea of first round games on campus. Thats a wonderful concept in this expanded reality.
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I agree and I want them to take it a step further if there is a 12 team format. I don’t think seeds 1-4 who receive a bye while 5-12 play on campus should be forced to play neutral site games for the quarterfinals . If Ohio State is a 5 and they host #12Baylor in Columbus and win, other than having a bye what advantage would #4 Oklahoma State have if they play the Buckeyes in Orlando? None. Because Ohio State is going to take over the damn Magic Kingdom and basically have a 70/30 advantage at the Citrus Bowl. They need to have the quarters be on campus as well to maintain the relevancy of the regular season in an expanded format.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I agree and I want them to take it a step further if there is a 12 team format. I don’t think seeds 1-4 who receive a bye while 5-12 play on campus should be forced to play neutral site games for the quarterfinals . If Ohio State is a 5 and they host #12Baylor in Columbus and win, other than having a bye what advantage would #4 Oklahoma State have if they play the Buckeyes in Orlando? None. Because Ohio State is going to take over the damn Magic Kingdom and basically have a 70/30 advantage at the Citrus Bowl. They need to have the quarters be on campus as well to maintain the relevancy of the regular season in an expanded format.
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In that 4/5 scenario, the advantage Oklahoma State would have is time…the time between the bracket unveiling, and final outcome of Baylor-Ohio State. Shame on Oklahoma State fans for not cornering the market on Citrus Bowl tickets, given that window of opportunity to affect the environment.

The bye week would give higher seeds an extra week to get healthy and scout their upcoming opponent. They will have earned that right.

But I do agree playing the first round on campus would be a good move. After that, neutral sites using the higher tier bowl games.
 
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Anyone talking crap about Jefferson Pilot and the three Daves can meet me at Legion Field for a butt whooping
 
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VolJarhead said:
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I miss the conference ties to particular bowls and the disputed split national championships. Every bowl mattered. I can't count how many times this bowl season that I read about how such and such bowl was pointless and there was no reason for players to risk injury. Bowls mattered more before the BCS and I hate what the playoffs are turning bowl games into. I am a fan that would like to dissolve the playoff. Is college football profiting more from the playoffs? That is the only way it would go back.
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Nissan was packed to the top row last week and they stayed through the entirety of a thrilling OT inter-conference matchup. When our team dons the O&W and walks onto that field IT MATTERS! Every single time. Even the lowly MCB. Meaningless games are the buzzword adopted by those fans who support players quitting on their teams during the season, in order to get a safe head start on professional football.

Outside of sheer numbers of bowl games themselves, they have never quit meaning. Killing the playoff leaves more determination up to the corrupt and biased news media. No, I don't wanna go back to that.
 
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#123
Screw the CFP and BCS. Go back to the old system. Split Championships if needed. It was better that way:)
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It was a poorly produced TV product with at least one really bad football team...all the time, every Saturday.

There was no prestige or allure associated with playing at noon on Jefferson Pilot. It meant either your team sucked, or your opponent sucked…AND there were other compelling games worth waiting for at 3:30.

Jefferson Pilot was garbage.
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I think he might be conflating "nostalgia value" with "great product."

I have all the nostalgia in the world for Napster, then LimeWire (aka AIDS for your computer), but I'm not dumping Spotify for them.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
In that 4/5 scenario, the advantage Oklahoma State would have is time…the time between the bracket unveiling, and final outcome of Baylor-Ohio State. Shame on Oklahoma State fans for not cornering the market on Citrus Bowl tickets, given that window of opportunity to affect the environment.

The bye week would give higher seeds an extra week to get healthy and scout their upcoming opponent. They will have earned that right.

But I do agree playing the first round on campus would be a good move. After that, use neutral sites using the higher tier bowl games.
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I agree with the time off, but at best Ok State would only get a 50/50 crowd split against a team like Ohio State, Bama, UF, etc…I just think the top seeds should get home games as well and then move the final 4 to neutral sites.
 
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