Playoff expansion is the wrong way to go

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I love the playoff expansionists because the people calling for it the loudest will hate it the most.

Think the semifinal games aren't competitive? How about games involving #1 vs. #8 or #2 vs. #7?

Think there's an SEC bias because they get 2 teams in? How about an 8 team playoff with 3-4 SEC teams or a 12-team playoff with 5-6 SEC teams, and then potentially an all-SEC final four?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Actually that’s not “how the world works”…because a very deserving UGA squad is playing for the national title. 😂
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So screw the NFL playoffs? Just put the best 2 regular season teams in the NFL in super bowl every year automatically?

Who gets to decide what conference and division is the weakest or strongest?
 
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05_never_again said:
I love the playoff expansionists because the people calling for it the loudest will hate it the most.

Think the semifinal games aren't competitive? How about games involving #1 vs. #8 or #2 vs. #7?

Think there's an SEC bias because they get 2 teams in? How about an 8 team playoff with 3-4 SEC teams or a 12-team playoff with 5-6 SEC teams, and then potentially an all-SEC final four?
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Expansion will make more bowls more meaningful, discourage kids from opting out and generate more revenue across the board.

Expansion will not result in more competitive games, likely the opposite.

All that said, I do like the idea of a 6 or 12-team expansion so the top teams get a bye.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Expansion will make more bowls more meaningful, discourage kids from opting out and generate more revenue across the board.

Expansion will not result in more competitive games, likely the opposite.

All that said, I do like the idea of a 6 or 12-team expansion so the top teams get a bye.
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I agree with all of that - this argument for expansion I like. I was just saying that anecdotally it seems like the people calling the loudest for expansion complain a lot about uncompetitive semifinal games and bias towards big teams, especially SEC teams, and the expansion they want would just make those two things worse.
 
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madbamahater said:
So screw the NFL playoffs? Just put the best 2 regular season teams in the NFL in super bowl every year automatically?

Who gets to decide what conference and division is the weakest or strongest?
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You keep bringing up the NFL playoffs as if there’s some correlation with the CFP.

False equivalence with two strawman questions thrown in for good measure.

Another swing and a miss…
 
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VolJarhead said:
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I miss the conference ties to particular bowls and the disputed split national championships. Every bowl mattered. I can't count how many times this bowl season that I read about how such and such bowl was pointless and there was no reason for players to risk injury. Bowls mattered more before the BCS and I hate what the playoffs are turning bowl games into. I am a fan that would like to dissolve the playoff. Is college football profiting more from the playoffs? That is the only way it would go back.
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I disagree 1000% percent. College football plays a hundred years with stupid bowl game format and picking a championship by morons voting. Then the best they could do was have the 2 top vote getters play for it. And now votes to have 4 teams play for.
Time to get out of the Stone Age, and join the 21st century and play like every other organized sport does!!
Bowl games need to go away
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Using that logic, Florida is better than Cincinnati because we played Bama tighter than Cincinnati played Bama.

Another bad argument.
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and if UGA gets boatraced by Bama twice in a month, UGA is still the 2nd best team because you say so?

It's all about matchups and no one knows how one team will be against another, unless they have an opportunity to play each other.

Cincinnati would have been a tougher matchup for UGA than Michigan just based on style of play alone.....

and if UGA has one of those oh we just a a bad day, Cincinnati could certainly beat them.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You keep bringing up the NFL playoffs as if there’s some correlation with the CFP.

False equivalence with two strawman questions thrown in for good measure.

Another swing and a miss…
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What makes college football so special, they can't do what every other sports does?
 
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madbamahater said:
and if UGA gets boatraced by Bama twice in a month, UGA is still the 2nd best team because you say so?

It's all about matchups and no one knows how one team will be against another, unless they have an opportunity to play each other.

Cincinnati would have been a tougher matchup for UGA than Michigan just based on style of play alone.....

and if UGA has one of those oh we just a a bad day, Cincinnati could certainly beat them.
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It’s entirely possible for UGA to be the second best team in the country AND lose twice to Alabama.

Both of those statements can be true.

The only constraint in your mind is they both play in the same conference, which is irrelevant because all conferences are not equal at the top.
 
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Here’s a thought that should probably be it’s own topic, but would probably make playoff expansion more entertaining - do you force parity in college football? Say, limit how many 5 stars and 4 stars a team could sign? No idea how that would look, but I’m sure we’re all tired of watching Alabama, Georgia and 2 or 3 other select teams compete for everything with another predictable Alabama championship on the horizon. We finally got two new teams in the CFB and they both got stomped, which was also boringly predictable.

I can only speak for myself, but it’s slowly killing my interest in college football for each year to have the same results as the last.
 
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EconVol92 said:
I understand what you are saying, but it will take several years for the expanded playoffs to spread out the talent, right now the talent is concentrated in just a few teams and for the most part those teams have been in the playoffs much more than not since this 4 team concept stated.

I would say 16 and yes, I know 8-16 don't really have a chance, but they could use the existing bowl games to do the playoffs as I really can't say that watching a bunch of 6-6 teams is very exciting.

The last thing you want is to go back to the old bowl style alone to decide the national championship as that would leave it up to the Sports Writers to make the decision and more often than not it was a Midwest team or Big 10 team that won as that is where most of the sports writers went to school and they were very biased on who they voted for.

I can't tell you how many games I went to in the 80's and watched Tennessee play another SEC team and then I would watch the game of the week being played on TV by two top rated teams and neither would hold a candle to either of the SEC teams that I had just watched.
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I actually thought the split national championships or the disputes that would happen made the conversations leading up to the next year that much more entertaining. I actually don't mind that the stupid sports writers didn't always choose 100% correct. For those of you that have to have it decided on the field. Does the best team always win? One of my favorite games of all time was the 1985 sugar bowl. Tennessee would never have gotten matched up with #2 Miami in the current format and that season would be meaningless. I doubt I would remember much about it. If it were a playoff and UT happened to upset Miami because it was an 8 team playoff and they lost the next game, I still doubt I would remember much about it.
I also think bowl festivities aren't as enjoyable pregame because most of the stadiums don't draw crap for crowds anymore. They don't put much effort into it and why should they? The payoff isn't there. I didn't expect this to be a popular opinion. I just think playoffs have killed the bowls.
 
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Blackburn said:
Have you watched the Pro Bowl in the last 5 years? The linemen just stand up and watch the passes get thrown. They aren’t trying to compete in any way.
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It’s a bad TV a product for sure.

Those attending live and in person absolutely love it.
 
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madbamahater said:
How do we know Cincinnati isn't as good or better than UGA? They gave Bama a better game than UGA did in Atlanta.
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UGA was up 10-0 against Bama and got conservative. They also allowed 24 points in the 2nd qtr compared to 17 the entire 2nd half. Its going to be a lot closer game, assuming UGA learned anything from the SECCG.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It’s a bad TV a product for sure.

Those attending live and in person absolutely love it.
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They love it because they have spent all week on Oahu on vacation as well. I can honestly say that I don't remember being on vacation in Hawaii ever sucking.
Disclaimer: I haven't been there since they created the quarantine period for arrival.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
It’s entirely possible for UGA to be the second best team in the country AND lose twice to Alabama.

Both of those statements can be true.

The only constraint in your mind is they both play in the same conference, which is irrelevant because all conferences are not equal at the top.
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So you are for or against giving teams like Florida an expanded chance at making the post season, get hot, and win it all? You are for or against that?
 
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VolJarhead said:
They love it because they have spent all week on Oahu on vacation as well. I can honestly say that I don't remember being on vacation in Hawaii ever sucking.
Disclaimer: I haven't been there since they created the quarantine period for arrival.
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It’s been six years since Aloha Stadium hosted the Pro Bowl.

Orlando hosted it from 2017-2020, and the players appeared to love it there too.
 
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