Paul Finebaum

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butchna said:
Totally agree. Made that same point before. So you're saying he didn't have it all figured out immediately with the first staff he hired? :)
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Yuppers.. Takes a true conman to get all his ducks in a row and play the system.
 
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99bubble said:
That's because he didn't learn to cheat until getting to the sec. Now he is on another level because of all the cheating they do. Until they are busted or he quits they are a tough out. Really wish we could have finished them off at their place two years ago.
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Cheating.. Aka money talks. No coincidence saban has a Cadillac dealership imo.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
At some point we need to ice a game on offense by throwing the ball or just blow everybody out and call it a day.

I don't see him blowing anymore games. 119 and 120 were great learning years for our program. 119 tought us don't relax with a lead and blow it, 120 tought us don't relax on scrub teams and blow it and maybe not to be so loose with the ball.
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I would hope jones has learned valuable lessons in the recent seasons. We played either played waay to conservative or too risky, there was no happy medium.
 
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UTVOLS1614 said:
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/paul-finebaum-explains-frustrated-butch-jones-sec-media-days/

Idk if u guys read this article but recently have been getting annoyed by finebaum. first of all he states tennessee should be competing for the east every year. correct me if im wrong we obviously didnt win it but certainly competed for the east last year. and look in good shape to compete again. Also him comparing sabans 5th year to butchs 5th year is rediculous. Saban didnt take over nearly as much of a mess as butch had to
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The error Finebaum is making is comparing Butch's 5th year at Tennessee with Saban's 5th year at Bama. A more reasonable comparison would be Saban's 5th year at MSU.
 
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Doberman said:
The only person still bringing up Jones's first year at UT ....... is Jones.
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This I don't understand. If you don't know where you were how can you tell where you are. I understand last year was not the season we or even the team or Coach wanted but hell with all the injuries and lack of depth, not to mention the internal problems in the locker room it was a train wreck waiting to happen. I was as pissed as anyone and also said Butch needed to go after Vandy but after about a day and looking at the whole situation I calmed down. All the talk about we only played so and so in bowl games doesn't change the fact that we still won 3 straight bowl games for the first time in 20 yrs or the fact that we finished ranked in the top 25 the past 2 yrs for the first time in 16 0r 17 yrs should tell you something. Has CBJ made mistakes? Yes he has but with the staff changes he has made and the fact that he has openly brought back CPF and basically said hey help me (just look at his media day day press conference) tells me he now understandso that he did finally see his mistakes. CPF for all the *****ing and moaning understands how to win in the SEC and it's up front in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Which is exactly what Butch is doing in recruiting now.Just look at this recruiting class we have and it's easy to see that this team is on the verge of being something special. Do I still have questions heck yeah but I think he has learned his lesson and is about to prove a lot of people wrong. Just my two cents
 
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Finebaum is dead on, Butch has been trying to lower expectations from day 1 on the job. Year 5 and we still have no shot in hell of beating Alabama.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Disagree with the last point. The Apr was a real issue.

I mean really what is he supposed to do? Not acknowledge any progress anywhere else but in the field? "I suck until I get to ATL, and I'm not doing anything else until then... That's all anyone cares about anyway"

We always talk about how running a program like Tennessee is a big job,..., too big for cbj...but we're not supposed to talk about it in terms of success in those other areas?

News flash.... Winning will always be #1 on the to do list.... But here we are discounting other things he has actually done a good job with.... It really doesn't matter.

Has it ever occurred to anyone there's a reason he's defensive?
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Butch gets paid millions to produce results. Thus, he is subject to criticism and will be criticized when he doesnt deliver. He needs to get over it and quit being a crybaby to the media.
 
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chargervol said:
Actually, not at all the truth.

They literally had just done the best staff in America thing from year one, right above his post.

Mr. Multi quote stops by once a week with year one loss to Vandy.

And I could honestly do this for another 20 minutes.
His post is not even a little bit true. Several legitimate concerns you guys could discuss that I could support. But this is where you always lose me with the hyperbole.
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thank you :hi:
 
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I bet 99 out of 100 people who critize and put down Jones would shake his hand and have their picture taken with him if they were to run into him.
 
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TNJOKER said:
Keep in mind.. Saban was NOT always as successful as he is at Alabama. From 89 up until the late 90's he had plenty of 6-6 and 7-5 seasons. And it really was not up until the 2000's he had major success. Up until 2005..as the dolphins coach.

Then in 2007 he took over for Alabama.. They took a risk on Saban really. He was iffy in the sec when he was lsu's head coach.

Long story short.. Im not counting butch out yet. The man has only been head coaching since 07..when Saban took over Alabama.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Saban
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There was nothing iffy about him. He took the MSU head coaching job right when they were put on probation and lost scholarships because of the previous coaching staff.

He took a team, by your own link, that "had not had a winning season since 1990, and the team was sanctioned by the NCAA for recruiting violations committed under his predecessor" and went 34-24 with zero losing seasons in his 5 years there. Ultimately finishing 9-3 and 2nd in the Big 10 before taking the job at LSU.

Following Gerry Dinardo who tanked LSU, Saban took them to a NC. From 2-8 Gerry Dinardo to a National Championship victory in 4 years.

What's iffy about that?
 
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bamawriter said:
That only makes sense if you believe that coaching a mid-major is essentially not coaching at all.
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Only in your own head. That's an extreme take to a pretty simple concept. I guess you think the facilities, funds, and blue chip recruits are the same across the board. Tells me, you are like most Bama fans. You don't know jack about what goes on between the lines, only which team scores more than the other.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Only in your own head. That's an extreme take to a pretty simple concept. I guess you think the facilities, funds, and blue chip recruits are the same across the board. Tells me, you are like most Bama fans. You don't know jack about what goes on between the lines, only which team scores more than the other.
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Oh, well then. Since you are such an expert... (my eyes rolled so hard they hurt)

It doesn't matter whether the mid-majors at which Saban and Jones coached had the resources of Power conference teams, they still gained experience and knowledge. Saban had 1 year before moving up; Jones had 6.

But, even if you want to ignore that rather obvious fact, the truth remains that no matter how bad a situation Butch inherited at UT, it is nothing compared to the disaster Saban took on at MSU. At least Butch could recruit full classes.
 
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bamawriter said:
Oh, well then. Since you are such an expert... (my eyes rolled so hard they hurt)

It doesn't matter whether the mid-majors at which Saban and Jones coached had the resources of Power conference teams, they still gained experience and knowledge. Saban had 1 year before moving up; Jones had 6.

But, even if you want to ignore that rather obvious fact, the truth remains that no matter how bad a situation Butch inherited at UT, it is nothing compared to the disaster Saban took on at MSU. At least Butch could recruit full classes.
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Oh an 'eye roller'. So you must have the manhood of a valley girl. Saban was also a DC under Bill Belichick for 4 years. So I would think that experience would have provided Saban more knowledge as to how to run a team as opposed to coaching Central Michigan or Cincinnati in a depleted conference. A couple of things, I'm not ignoring anything and your opinion is not the truth. That is just the fake reality you exist in.

Let's look at Saban's situation at MSU. He lost 9 scholarships over a 4 year period. So basically 2 per year, meaning he could recruit up to 23 guys per year. The Big 10 was a top heavy conference in the 90s and not a meat grinder like the SEC has been for years. The SEC was 12-5 head to head against the Big 10 during Saban's stay there. Meaning it was an easier conference to dig out of a hole. Butch had to recruit over an entire roster of marginal players Dooley brought in and on the heels of Fulmer's worst class and Kiffin's class which turned out to be a bust.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Oh an 'eye roller'. So you must have the manhood of a valley girl. Saban was also a DC under Bill Belichick for 4 years. So I would think that experience would have provided Saban more knowledge as to how to run a team as opposed to coaching Central Michigan or Cincinnati in a depleted conference. A couple of things, I'm not ignoring anything and your opinion is not the truth. That is just the fake reality you exist in.

Let's look at Saban's situation at MSU. He lost 9 scholarships over a 4 year period. So basically 2 per year, meaning he could recruit up to 23 guys per year. The Big 10 was a top heavy conference in the 90s and not a meat grinder like the SEC has been for years. The SEC was 12-5 head to head against the Big 10 during Saban's stay there. Meaning it was an easier conference to dig out of a hole. Butch had to recruit over an entire roster of marginal players Dooley brought in and on the heels of Fulmer's worst class and Kiffin's class which turned out to be a bust.
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Comparing the late 90s Big 10 to the late 90s SEC is utterly meaningless when comparing Saban to Jones. The effective comparison would be late 90s Big 10 >>>>>>>>> early to mid 10s SEC East. The Big 10 was absolutely top heavy in the late 90s. The current SEC East has no top.
 
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bamawriter said:
Comparing the late 90s Big 10 to the late 90s SEC is utterly meaningless when comparing Saban to Jones. The effective comparison would be late 90s Big 10 >>>>>>>>> early to mid 10s SEC East. The Big 10 was absolutely top heavy in the late 90s. The current SEC East has no top.
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It is meaningless to you because you lack basic comprehension skills. I noticed you 'ignored' the rest of my post. That's fine. Your effective comparison is a basic guess made by numbnut nerds that fires up their console to see how it would shake out. The Big 10s historical record against the SEC does not suggest any more success with your hypothetical matchups. As for the SEC East not having a top, outside of Alabubba the West isn't much better.Auburn losing to UGA. Florida beating LSU. Kentucky beating MSU. Vandy beating Ole Miss. Mizzou beating Arkansas. Face it, your only legit argument is you cheer for a winning team and contribute nothing to their success, unless you count your lost teeth from your probable meth addiction to celebrate a victory by the Tide.
 
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sanddune50 said:
It is meaningless to you because you lack basic comprehension skills. I noticed you 'ignored' the rest of my post. That's fine. Your effective comparison is a basic guess made by numbnut nerds that fires up their console to see how it would shake out. The Big 10s historical record against the SEC does not suggest any more success with your hypothetical matchups. As for the SEC East not having a top, outside of Alabubba the West isn't much better.Auburn losing to UGA. Florida beating LSU. Kentucky beating MSU. Vandy beating Ole Miss. Mizzou beating Arkansas. Face it, your only legit argument is you cheer for a winning team and contribute nothing to their success, unless you count your lost teeth from your probable meth addiction to celebrate a victory by the Tide.
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You are one impressive internet tough guy. You've proven that you're the coolest kid with a keyboard. What you haven't proven is that you understand how to compare two coaches, because you keep bringing up teams in time periods that aren't relevant to anything.

As an aside, I did notice that your list didn't include the words "Tennessee beating..."
 
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bamawriter said:
You are one impressive internet tough guy. You've proven that you're the coolest kid with a keyboard. What you haven't proven is that you understand how to compare two coaches, because you keep bringing up teams in time periods that aren't relevant to anything.

As an aside, I did notice that your list didn't include the words "Tennessee beating..."
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What would be any different in person? It's a well known fact that most Bama fans cheer for Bama to get some sort of rub off of them because they are failures in the real world. And kill it with projecting your deficiencies on me. I attacked the coaching comparison from every angle possible, while you sat back and attempted to counter punch pieces of my argument while ignoring what you couldn't defend. And yeah, I didn't mention Tennessee. But that's an irrelevant point seeing as though their locked in rival is the one team that's the outlier. The one you rub one out to every night because it's all you have in life.
 
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