Out coached.

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peerless98 said:
Well, if you'll settle for on the job training, then maybe you're satisfied. Keep in mind that he ran off a QB much more competent than anything on our roster. So, yes, he had one on his roster. Some folks act like Fulmer should have recruited for a system that would be here in the future, Kiffin's. Finally, don't blame me that UT hired a guy with no experience. Approximately how many games will it take before you expect him to be held accountable for his decisions?
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:good!:

post of the year
 
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peerless98 said:
While I'd love to break down the whole game for you, I don't have the time; however, I'll throw you a couple of bones. Auburn's defensive scheme allows for throws to the TE anytime you want it. When was the first throw to the TE? About 1 minute left in the first half. Could Crompton make the throws? Maybe not, but at least they are open throws. Did you not notice a different running game package than you did against Fla? Just look at the running situations that we passed on. Why? Because Kiffin either outguessed himself or believed that Auburn's ability to stop the run is greater than Fla. , and yes, I have seen Boyd play several times. He is far better than anything we have.
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Last I checked Boyd is on the bench this year and last year doesn't count. Let me guess you coach pee wee football? Perhaps your a gamer and learned football thru video gaming? If your so knowledgeable please reveal your identity and submit your resume.

You are just blowing smoke trying to blast the coaching hire. Perhaps your a Fulmerite? I do know that I do not drink from the CLK kool-aid glasses nor do I claim to know more then our coaching staff. As far as you sitting in your lounge chair second guessing every call. The reason CLK did not run as much was because the first 3 quarters AU was putting 8 and 9 in the box. Now I am no genius but conventional wisdom tells you 5 cannot block 9. He kept throwing to try and open up the running lanes.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Do you know what the Tampa 2 is? Do you realize that we have played very little of it?
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No, I have no idea! That's why I brought it up. I was hoping you would explain it. Get real. Our base defense is the Tampa 2. Sure some offenses require adjustments. Just so that you can boast later: the basics are four down lineman, three linebackers, two CB's, and two safeties. Sounds exactly like the defense we run in order to cover the zones, get matchups we want, and allow for more defenders to get the ball. That's what we call gang tacklin' in the South. I hope this has helped. For more info try googling some footage of Fort Meade High School. You might just catch a glimpse of me on the sidelines. If you research a little, you'll also find that we sent players to UT on football scholarships.
 
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GmanTN said:
Last I checked Boyd is on the bench this year and last year doesn't count. Let me guess you coach pee wee football? Perhaps your a gamer and learned football thru video gaming? If your so knowledgeable please reveal your identity and submit your resume.

You are just blowing smoke trying to blast the coaching hire. Perhaps your a Fulmerite? I do know that I do not drink from the CLK kool-aid glasses nor do I claim to know more then our coaching staff. As far as you sitting in your lounge chair second guessing every call. The reason CLK did not run as much was because the first 3 quarters AU was putting 8 and 9 in the box. Now I am no genius but conventional wisdom tells you 5 cannot block 9. He kept throwing to try and open up the running lanes.
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I have never "blasted" the coaching hire. I support whoever is there. I am just not as sold as you apparently are. And again, I'll say, I hope like crazy that I am proven wrong. Perhaps you have it all figured out. If that's true, why are you getting so excited. I can't really figure out what makes you think you are entitled to see my resume' because I voice an opinion when you voice yours and don't see the need to reveal your identity, but whatever.....
 
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maybe im an idiot, but early on crompton lost the damn game. you can't expect the defense to be on the field for half the game and pull a win out of your arse. out coached=negative. when crompton actually made nice throw the wr's dropped the passes.
 
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peerless98 said:
I truly hope you're right about Kiffin being the solution. Time will tell although I'd still like the football program to achieve more than the basketball team.
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You know what I was gettin at....but its not just Kiffin that I have confidence in..its the whole staff..but maybe its just me but im not expecting,even in a few years, to dominate the S.E.C...what I am expecting(in a couple years mind you) is too compete with UF, Bama,etc and KNOWING that we should have a chance to win at the end of the game...but one thing you should give a thought about....Nick Sabans first year...and if you dont know better ask somebody..
 
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peerless98 said:
I have never "blasted" the coaching hire. I support whoever is there. I am just not as sold as you apparently are. And again, I'll say, I hope like crazy that I am proven wrong. Perhaps you have it all figured out. If that's true, why are you getting so excited. I can't really figure out what makes you think you are entitled to see my resume' because I voice an opinion when you voice yours and don't see the need to reveal your identity, but whatever.....
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No your posts support your opinion of the hire and your expertise in coaching. Tooting your horn on how your school has sent players to UT. Please ol wise one tell me why you think this team deserves better when we are limited with talent at the skilled positions? Why you are drafting your response is there any players on our current roster that you "sent" to us?
 
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erob3833 said:
maybe im an idiot, but early on crompton lost the damn game. you can't expect the defense to be on the field for half the game and pull a win out of your arse. out coached=negative. when crompton actually made nice throw the wr's dropped the passes.
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Crompton managed to miss his receivers in every way possible: He overthrew, underthrew and hit them in the head and at the feet.

At halftime, Crompton had completed only four passes for 62 yards
 
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TheSolution14 said:
You know what I was gettin at....but its not just Kiffin that I have confidence in..its the whole staff..but maybe its just me but im not expecting,even in a few years, to dominate the S.E.C...what I am expecting(in a couple years mind you) is too compete with UF, Bama,etc and KNOWING that we should have a chance to win at the end of the game...but one thing you should give a thought about....Nick Sabans first year...and if you dont know better ask somebody..
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If we could simply meet your expectations, that would be good enough for me. I expected to have a rough few years, I just pray he can overcome the inexperience. I agree it will take the whole staff. The thing Saban had was experience which I am sure helped along the way.
 
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peerless98 said:
No, I have no idea! That's why I brought it up. I was hoping you would explain it. Get real. Our base defense is the Tampa 2. Sure some offenses require adjustments. Just so that you can boast later: the basics are four down lineman, three linebackers, two CB's, and two safeties. Sounds exactly like the defense we run in order to cover the zones, get matchups we want, and allow for more defenders to get the ball. That's what we call gang tacklin' in the South. I hope this has helped. For more info try googling some footage of Fort Meade High School. You might just catch a glimpse of me on the sidelines. If you research a little, you'll also find that we sent players to UT on football scholarships.
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All you did was describe a 4-3. I'm still not hearing tampa 2. Your self proclaimed high school coaching experience gives you instant credibility. Believe me, it does.
 
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posivol said:
Crompton managed to miss his receivers in every way possible: He overthrew, underthrew and hit them in the head and at the feet.

At halftime, Crompton had completed only four passes for 62 yards
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true. before the drive to end the half crompton made what 1-2 accurate throws?
 
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GmanTN said:
No your posts support your opinion of the hire and your expertise in coaching. Tooting your horn on how your school has sent players to UT. Please ol wise one tell me why you think this team deserves better when we are limited with talent at the skilled positions? Why you are drafting your response is there any players on our current roster that you "sent" to us?
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As I stated in a previous post, the players from Fort Meade, MD grad. several years ago. I should have mentioned for your benefit that I left coaching when I was sent back overseas a few years back. As far as I know, there are no roster players from Fort Meade now; if there is one, I didn't "send" them because I'm not there. To your first question, I'll answer it with a few questions. Was Auburn not as bad as us last year? Have they not been out recruited for several years included the most recent class? Are they struggling like we are? That's why I say this team deserves better. I still can't figure out why you care so much what I think about Kiffin's performance so far. Is that you, Monte?
 
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#193
Outcoached? I don't think so, The UT offense is so limited right now that they are putting the D and the rest of the team in tough situations.

The kickoff coverage needs to be addressed as there were players running out of their lanes to avoid being hit. This did not help the defense one bit as it gave Auburn good field pos. and the UT defense was already tired. The Auburn O spread out the UT D , so it left alot of one on one tackling , which was good at times and sub par at times. On the last series, they had them for a four yard loss on first down, only to allow them a 8 yard run.

Crompton continues to stare down his WR's/TE's as apparent after he made a nice throw on a double move by the TE and then next time he looks at him the whole time. How about know where they are gonna end up and then read what the D takes away and then make a decision. In Crompton's defense, his WR's need to catch the ball better also.

So back to the point of being outcoached, i would say the players were in the right spots, but the player's just did'nt make play's and that's on the players , not the coaches. IMO
 
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jjay2518 said:
All you did was describe a 4-3. I'm still not hearing tampa 2. Your self proclaimed high school coaching experience gives you instant credibility. Believe me, it does.
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Maybe you should go back and study the Tampa 2. You're not hearing it because you don't know what you are listening for. I'm not looking for an endorsement because I coached high school; I simply referred to it to show the Tampa 2, or a slight deviation from it, to show it on the field where I was coaching.
 
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peerless98 said:
Maybe you should go back and study the Tampa 2. You're not hearing it because you don't know what you are listening for. I'm not looking for an endorsement because I coached high school; I simply referred to it to show the Tampa 2, or a slight deviation from it, to show it on the field where I was coaching.
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tampa 2 = cover 2 with the MLB dropping into a deep middle zone. You said nothing close to that. We rarely run it. More times than not, EB is lined up in the box and we have one deep safety. You should just stop.
 
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erob3833 said:
true. before the drive to end the half crompton made what 1-2 accurate throws?
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bless his heart,he just dosnt perform well under pressure.it would be better to sit him on the bench.

clk can show him the proper form,he rode the pine.
 
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#197
jjay2518 said:
tampa 2 = cover 2 with the MLB dropping into a deep middle zone. You said nothing close to that. We rarely run it. More times than not, EB is lined up in the box and we have one deep safety. You should just stop.
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I guess I didn't realize you wanted a workshop on it. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but there's a lot more to the Tampa 2 than that. While the formation is as you've described, there is a variety of stunts and shifts depending on the pass protection package. You described a simplistic, vanilla hybrid. EB often walks up before the snap changing the defensive look after the initial alignment in an effort to provide run stop support or pressure. I am sure you knew that though.
 
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#198
jjay2518 said:
tampa 2 = cover 2 with the MLB dropping into a deep middle zone. You said nothing close to that. We rarely run it. More times than not, EB is lined up in the box and we have one deep safety. You should just stop.
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I guess I didn't realize you wanted a workshop on it. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but there's a lot more to the Tampa 2 than that. While the formation is as you've described, there is a variety of stunts and shifts depending on the pass protection package. You described a simplistic, vanilla hybrid. EB often walks up before the snap changing the defensive look after the initial alignment in an effort to provide run stop support or pressure. I am sure you knew that though.
 
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peerless98 said:
No they wouldn't. They would have benched him a long time ago. Problem is, you hurt your chances of bringing in a top qb recruit if that recruit doubts his chances of starting as a freshman with a starter with eligibility left.
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I don't buy this recruit argument. Peyton was prepared to sit a year behind Colquitt, for goodness sake.

Kiffin gambled (and lost) on JC. If it was close in practice, like he said, then his story from the beginning of the season is that both QBs would get snaps.

I don't buy the WR argument either. These guys have been productive in the past. At this point, if they aren't doing the right things, it's all on the coaches.

I am behind Kiffin, but I think he has a lot to learn about being a head coach at this point. However, you win with Jimmys and Joes, and if he continues to bring in (and coach-up) star quality recruits, he will have the chance for his OJT.

However, he is at risk of throwing this season away. It's Time .... to rotate QBs if nothing else.
 
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jjay2518 said:
tampa 2 = cover 2 with the MLB dropping into a deep middle zone. You said nothing close to that. We rarely run it. More times than not, EB is lined up in the box and we have one deep safety. You should just stop.
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I guess I didn't realize you wanted a workshop on it. Hate to be the one to break this to you, but there's a lot more to the Tampa 2 than that. While the formation is as you've described, there is a variety of stunts and shifts depending on the pass protection package. You described a simplistic, vanilla hybrid. EB often walks up before the snap changing the defensive look after the initial alignment in an effort to provide run stop support or pressure. I am sure you knew that though.
 
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