Our talent is mediocre...

#27
#27
Mcrae, Jrich, Barton, Moore, Thompson, even Stokes to an extent could beat their man off the dribble and attack the rim in a system of a coach that knows offense and how to use the skills of each player. Right now, if they even attempt take their man, they run into a teammate or help D due to the grammar school spacing. Seldom do we have lanes to drive. Seldom do we draw and dish. Seldom do we penetrate and kick for an open 3. Most 3's are pullup off the dribble.
There is plenty of talent. It's all being wasted.
 
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#28
#28
It seems like in our offense, the only way to get good shots up is to shoot out of the offense. As McRae does what he can get and Thompson playing a 2 man game
 
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According to Rivals
Hubbs 5 star
Stokes 5 star
Mcrae 4 star
Maymon 4 star

Also, this is a team stacked with juniors and seniors.
 
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We have 3 4-star players and 2 5-star players on our roster. Plus a lot of high 3-star players. I don't think a lack of talent is our problem. Wichita State had no one ranked over a 3-star and the Cotton kid who ripped us to shreds wasn't even rated! The problem is that our talented kids aren't getting any better or playing in a system which can utilize their talents.
 
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armchair said:
Yes, Martin is somewhere between a mediocre and bad coach. But you guys are TOTALLY overrating the talent on this team. UT is not, in fact, very talented.

This team has ONE good player--McCrae. That's it. Stokes is the team's second best player, but he's a tweener--a power forward who can only play close to the basket but lacks the size and length and quickness and shooting to be special.

After those two, who? Precisely. Everybody after those two is utterly average. Got a coupla freshmen who might develop into good players--but right now they're just freshmen. See this team for what it is--mediocre talent, mediocre coach that in fact probably won't make the tournament. We've lost to all but one of the decent opponents we've played this year.
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I hate to say it but I kinda agree. The talent on this team is way overrated in my book. But I still feel like we should be playin a lot
Better than we are.
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armchair said:
Yes, Martin is somewhere between a mediocre and bad coach. But you guys are TOTALLY overrating the talent on this team. UT is not, in fact, very talented. This team has ONE good player--McCrae. That's it. Stokes is the team's second best player, but he's a tweener--a power forward who can only play close to the basket but lacks the size and length and quickness and shooting to be special.

After those two, who? Precisely. Everybody after those two is utterly average. Got a coupla freshmen who might develop into good players--but right now they're just freshmen. See this team for what it is--mediocre talent, mediocre coach that in fact probably won't make the tournament. We've lost to all but one of the decent opponents we've played this year.
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I am not one to agree with Armchair often. But that post had LOTS of fact in it. Martin has not proven to be a strong coach from a strategy or adjustment perspective. And fans vastly overrate the talent on this roster. Stokes and Maymon are both 5-men that have limited length, limited speed/quickness, limited jumping ability. Neither have good touch. Against solid post defenders they both struggle to score around the basket. And neither is capable of scoring from 15ft. To whoever claimed Stokes was a '4' man, sorry but that is not even close to accurate. He is a back-to-the basket '5' man that is limited. McRae is a legitimate NBA-type players. Richardson is a very good complimentary player. But there is not enough around him for him to compliment. Lots of fans don't want to accept it but it is fact. Wait and see what kind of post-college career these players have.
 
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therickbol said:
I am not one to agree with Armchair often. But that post had LOTS of fact in it. Martin has not proven to be a strong coach from a strategy or adjustment perspective. And fans vastly overrate the talent on this roster. Stokes and Maymon are both 5-men that have limited length, limited speed/quickness, limited jumping ability. Neither have good touch. Against solid post defenders they both struggle to score around the basket. And neither is capable of scoring from 15ft. To whoever claimed Stokes was a '4' man, sorry but that is not even close to accurate. He is a back-to-the basket '5' man that is limited. McRae is a legitimate NBA-type players. Richardson is a very good complimentary player. But there is not enough around him for him to compliment. Lots of fans don't want to accept it but it is fact. Wait and see what kind of post-college career these players have.
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Just because you don't go to the NBA doesn't mean your an average player. I agree with what you said about Stokes and Maymon though.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Just because you don't go to the NBA doesn't mean your an average player. I agree with what you said about Stokes and Maymon though.
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And to add, yes a better strategy X's and O's coach could put the talent we do have in a better position to be successful. Not claiming otherwise. But the ceiling on this teams talent is much lower than most fans want to acknowledge.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
According to Rivals
Hubbs 5 star
Stokes 5 star
Mcrae 4 star
Maymon 4 star

Also, this is a team stacked with juniors and seniors.
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And the ratings service made some mistakes on the ratings. Shocking huh? That never happens. Stokes looked like a 5-star in high school because he was capable of bulling his way through 6'3"-6'6" high school post players that he outweighed by 40 pounds. Those that watched him in high school said he was going to struggle to adjust to college. He is a solid college basketball player. He is just nowhere near the Charles Barkley that our fans expect him to be. Hubbs is a 5-star athlete, not a 5-star basketball player. And he is not completely healthy with his shoulder.
 
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I'm pretty sure the Stokes 5-star rating was under the (now incorrect) assumption that he wasn't done growing (because of his size 20 feet).

A 6'10"-7' Stokes might be a 5-star. A 6'8" Stokes is not.
 
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SGMVols said:
I'm pretty sure the Stokes 5-star rating was under the (now incorrect) assumption that he wasn't done growing (because of his size 20 feet).

A 6'10"-7' Stokes might be a 5-star. A 6'8" Stokes is not.
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See! He hasn't grown any since he got here! Cuonzo shoulda growed him better!!
 
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therickbol said:
And the ratings service made some mistakes on the ratings. Shocking huh? That never happens. Stokes looked like a 5-star in high school because he was capable of bulling his way through 6'3"-6'6" high school post players that he outweighed by 40 pounds. Those that watched him in high school said he was going to struggle to adjust to college. He is a solid college basketball player. He is just nowhere near the Charles Barkley that our fans expect him to be. Hubbs is a 5-star athlete, not a 5-star basketball player. And he is not completely healthy with his shoulder.
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Or the staff is failing the current players on the roster. Face it, this group of coaches are not that great and when Hamilton hired these guys it was a huge gamble. Any proven coach would win with these guys. Final four material? No but something UT fans could be proud of. JMO.
 
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armchair said:
Yes, Martin is somewhere between a mediocre and bad coach. But you guys are TOTALLY overrating the talent on this team. UT is not, in fact, very talented. This team has ONE good player--McCrae. That's it. Stokes is the team's second best player, but he's a tweener--a power forward who can only play close to the basket but lacks the size and length and quickness and shooting to be special.

After those two, who? Precisely. Everybody after those two is utterly average. Got a coupla freshmen who might develop into good players--but right now they're just freshmen. See this team for what it is--mediocre talent, mediocre coach that in fact probably won't make the tournament. We've lost to all but one of the decent opponents we've played this year.
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Dude shut up

Do you not realize how much coaching has to do with it?

There are a lot of teams with much less talent that do great things. Just shut up.
 
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Poor Coaching and the players have ZERO self-confidence and heart right now. Shame and a waste.... Oh yeah, and unless we replace CCM with someone with a great rep and a name, we are not going to get any better talent to come here than we already have. A step below mediocre. Not a negavol, just a guy who sees the facts. If you disagree, watch a single game....
 
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Exiled said:
The scheme that our players are forced to play within continues to limit the use of their athleticism and doesn't allow them to showcase their true abilities. IMO
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What scheme? Is 4 guys standing around and chucking an occasional 3 a scheme?
Martin is 3 years into teaching motion offense. His guys don't like it or don't get it. Try something else.
Remember the definition of insanity?
 
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armchair said:
Yes, Martin is somewhere between a mediocre and bad coach. But you guys are TOTALLY overrating the talent on this team. UT is not, in fact, very talented. This team has ONE good player--McCrae. That's it. Stokes is the team's second best player, but he's a tweener--a power forward who can only play close to the basket but lacks the size and length and quickness and shooting to be special.

After those two, who? Precisely. Everybody after those two is utterly average. Got a coupla freshmen who might develop into good players--but right now they're just freshmen. See this team for what it is--mediocre talent, mediocre coach that in fact probably won't make the tournament. We've lost to all but one of the decent opponents we've played this year.
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Our talent is not mediocre. The way our talent is utilized is very mediocre. We have a bad coach. Many of us have been saying that for a couple years.

A good coach would play at a high tempo with this squad. Put your players in position to succeed. Play to your strengths. We don't do that.
 
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