Other Coaches' Views on Butch Jones and Our Team

[05_never_again]

I think Butch has the same feelings for the media as he does for the Refs. He just don't care for them much. I think it's because his Daddy was a Cop.

Butch doesn't care for the media much because he knows he hasn't quite won enough. They ask him questions about it, which make him uncomfortable.

The "5 star hearts" comment in particular was a defensive one because the one area where Butch has indisputably had some success (until 2017) was recruiting. I believe he made that comment in response to a question about the fact that only 4-5 guys in that entire class were above a 3-star rating.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Butch doesn't care for the media much because he knows he hasn't quite won enough. They ask him questions about it, which make him uncomfortable.

The "5 star hearts" comment in particular was a defensive one because the one area where Butch has indisputably had some success (until 2017) was recruiting. I believe he made that comment in response to a question about the fact that only 4-5 guys in that entire class were above a 3-star rating.

Saban hates the media too. Most coaches do, even if they don't say or publicly act that way.

 

[TNinSC]

Mr. Muschamp I presume

 

[robow]

I agree with your premise. I posted this for open dialogue and entertainment purposes. Nothing wrong with discussing opinions on these comments.

Opinions are like *******s; and you sir, don't look like an opinion. :hi:

 

[pimo1]

The one thing in those comments i do agree with is about dominant Draftable guys.. Based on actual numbers on paper it is true we have exactly 2. JJ and Kirkland. We very well may have those guys and we have some guys that came in with the pedigree but they have not produced for whatever reasons yet. At the end of this season that story may be different but for now it's true. As things stand now the chances of a Vol getting his name called on day 1 of the draft is slim.

 

[Hank Bukowski]

http://tennessee.247sports.com/Bolt/SEC-coaches-comment-on-the-Tennessee-football-program-53032191

Ouch.... this gon' be good.

I happen to agree with these thoughts, upon a first reading. Doesn't mean he can't and won't win. Doesn't mean he can't rise above his shortcomings as a coach...just like all of us in our individual roles.

 

[AM64]

For some reason, that quote just sounds completely bogus to me.

Agree. To say there isn't a proven QB or RB would be one thing, but Kelly looked pretty good, so you have to lump that in the stupid speak category. The truly amazing thing is that media and other prognosticators love to praise GA and FL freshman QBs (the ones who have yet to play a down at the college level) as the next football god, and the speculation is shown to be erroneous year in and year out.

Maybe time to put football "news" back on ignore for another couple of months, and then see how things play out during the season.

 

[BruisedOrange]

Gotta wonder,

if I was an assistant coach somewhere who had to recruit against Tennessee (and Tennessee's recruiting budget)...

who had to recruit against Tennessee's facilities, stadium, tradition, and fanbase...

and could say anything I wanted to about Tennessee's head coach who (successfully or not) is intent on building a program for the long haul...

and could say anything I wanted anonymously...?

:naughty: "Start recording, Mr. Lindy!"

 

[njvols]

First part, ill informed. Second and third part...truth hurts...we don't scare anyone. I'm ready to be despised again because we beat the snot out of our rivals. Go Vols!

 

[Pumpin That Shine]

Well then, just cancel the season! These jealous coaches have shown their true colors and have shown the fear they have of Coach Jones and our soon-to-be SEC championship team! :rock:

 

[volinbama256]

Agree with everything except the point made about the defense, QB and RB... Guess they didn't pay attention to the fact that at one point, we were missing 7+ starters on D and finished the season stretch with basically second and third string guys on D...

 

[jarnol32]

It would be like firing Fulmer all over again and our AD hiring another Dooley. I'm not a Butch supporter but if we seriously have fans wanting to fire him if we win 10 games, they should get professional help.

How can you be a Tennessee fan and not be a Butch supporter. Either you are a Tennessee fan and you hope they win every game ( which means you are supporting Butch) or you are simply not a fan, period.

 

[BeardedVol]

How can you be a Tennessee fan and not be a Butch supporter. Either you are a Tennessee fan and you hope they win every game ( which means you are supporting firing Butch) or you are simply not a fan, period.

See how easy it is to reverse True Fan™ logic?

A fan doesn't have to display abject hero-worship of the head coach, and a total lack of critical thinking skills to be a true fan of the program.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

See how easy it is to reverse True Fan™ logic?

A fan doesn't have to display abject hero-worship of the head coach, and a total lack of critical thinking skills to be a fan of the program.

No, you're right, that's true.

And a member of a team doesn't have to support his team mates, either. He can trash talk them constantly.

But that kind of team member is showing a distinct lack of some of the values that are central to American culture. Loyalty ... respect for others ... selflessness.

Fans of a team are like a big, diffuse team themselves. They share a common goal and, often, a cultural underpinning (say, being a Tennessee native). There's a degree of expectation of mutual support in being fellow fans...not nearly as strong as being on the team, of course, but it exists nonetheless.

So to trash talk our coach, or our players, or even each other, is a violation of those values. Mild, sure, because of the weakness of the linkage among fans and the program, there's almost zero requirement of commitment, but still, something.

Sure. You can disrespect our coaches and/or players and still be a "Tennessee fan," but fans who do feel a sense of loyalty and mutual respect for the program, the coaches, the players, and each other are certainly going to think less of you for it.

You'll just have to live with that.

 

[Behr]

No, you're right, that's true.

And a member of a team doesn't have to support his team mates, either. He can trash talk them constantly.

But that kind of team member is showing a distinct lack of some of the values that are central to American culture. Loyalty ... respect for others ... selflessness.

Fans of a team are like a big, diffuse team themselves. They share a common goal and, often, a cultural underpinning (say, being a Tennessee native). There's a degree of expectation of mutual support in being fellow fans...not nearly as strong as being on the team, of course, but it exists nonetheless.

So to trash talk our coach, or our players, or even each other, is a violation of those values. Mild, sure, because of the weakness of the linkage among fans and the program, there's almost zero requirement of commitment, but still, something.

Sure. You can disrespect our coaches and/or players and still be a "Tennessee fan," but fans who do feel a sense of loyalty and mutual respect for the program, the coaches, the fans, and each other are certainly going to think less of you for it.

You'll just have to live with that.

Jmo, but I think different people have different ideas of what certain words mean to them, what they might mean to someone else and what they actually mean. Contending, momentum and support are examples. Instead of sometimes asking a person exactly what they mean and discussing it, on a discussion board, they, we, I .....just assume what they meant and attack.

 

[JettVol]

its pretty much spot on, he looks uncomfortable in his own skin and sometimes has a deer in the headlights look on the sidelines in key situations of many of the games that he has coached in. I don't really see anything wrong with this statement, wouldn't be surprised if it was Muschamp too. lol

 

[JettVol]

Agree with everything except the point made about the defense, QB and RB... Guess they didn't pay attention to the fact that at one point, we were missing 7+ starters on D and finished the season stretch with basically second and third string guys on D...

You don't believe that the defense that we have fielded the last few years has been bad? They have allowed the most points/yards in the programs history. That stat alone defines it as being the worst, or at least a bad defense anyway you slice it.

 

[Lloyd_Christmas]

Being quoted anonymously doesn't mean that they will be honest. If you don't think recruiting against UT motivated some of those comments, then you have your head in the sand.

 

[jarnol32]

See how easy it is to reverse True Fan™ logic?

A fan doesn't have to display abject hero-worship of the head coach, and a total lack of critical thinking skills to be a true fan of the program.

Who said anything about hero worship? Let me simplify this for you. If you are a Tennessee fan then you hope for them to win every game they play.. correct? In doing so as long as Butch Jones is the coach you are hoping he wins every ball game he coaches. Hence if you are a supporter of Tennessee then you are a supporter of Butch jones, as long as he is the football coach at UT.

 

[05_never_again]

Saban hates the media too. Most coaches do, even if they don't say or publicly act that way.

I know - but it is always for the same reason; because they ask uncomfortable questions.

The uncomfortable questions they ask Saban aren't about winning, because he does plenty of that. They are about player arrests, members of his staff leaving, Saban himself potentially leaving for the NFL, etc. Just stuff he'd rather not talk about.

 

[BeardedVol]

Who said anything about hero worship? Let me simplify this for you. If you are a Tennessee fan then you hope for them to win every game they play.. correct? In doing so as long as Butch Jones is the coach you are hoping he wins every ball game he coaches. Hence if you are a supporter of Tennessee then you are a supporter of Butch jones, as long as he is the football coach at UT.

No one wants UT to lose, no one wants Butch to lose. Have you seen a single post on here or anywhere that says "I hope we go 3-9 in 2017 so that Butch gets fired"? Predicting losses is not the same as wanting those losses to occur. Being pragmatic about a coach "finally getting it together" in his 5th season, who hasn't in the previous 4 seasons, is about a rational of mindset one can have on the subject.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

No one wants UT to lose, no one wants Butch to lose. Have you seen a single post on here or anywhere that says "I hope we go 3-9 in 2017 so that Butch gets fired"? Predicting losses is not the same as wanting those losses to occur. Being pragmatic about a coach "finally getting it together" in his 5th season, who hasn't in the previous 4 seasons, is about a rational of mindset one can have on the subject.

Bearded, it wasn't even a week ago that VolunteerHillbilly, who in many ways sounds a LOT like you in many of these threads, wrote these words:

Can't disagree although I'm going to be mighty disappointed if the blind squirrel finds an acorn, gets a raise and extension, and promptly resumes duking it out for 3rd place in the East for the next 4-5 years. It's not my decision to make, but my opinion is that the benefits of Jones getting lucky this year is far outweighed by the potential damages of Jones getting lucky this year.

That was him flat-out saying that he hopes Butch does NOT win the East this fall, because he believes that might extend Butch's tenure as head coach.

In other words, he dislikes Butch so much that he wants our team to have a terrible season just to increase the chance our AD fires him.

And, as I said, VolunteerHillbilly sounds a LOT like you in a LOT of these threads.

So, when you frequently make the same sounds as people who don't feel any sense of loyalty to or respect for our coaches, players, or fellow fans, do not be surprised when other fans lump you with guys like this.

 

[Behr]

Bearded, it wasn't even a week ago that VolunteerHillbilly, who in many ways sounds a LOT like you in many of these threads, wrote these words:



That was him flat-out saying that he hopes Butch does NOT win the East this fall, because he believes that might extend Butch's tenure as head coach.

In other words, he dislikes Butch so much that he wants our team to have a terrible season just to increase the chance our AD fires him.

And, as I said, VolunteerHillbilly sounds a LOT like you in a LOT of these threads.

So, when you frequently make the same sounds as people who don't feel any sense of loyalty to or respect for our coaches, players, or fellow fans, do not be surprised when other fans lump you with guys like this.

There are 4 more. By 4 different posters.

 

[johnrlansford]

Bearded, it wasn't even a week ago that VolunteerHillbilly, who in many ways sounds a LOT like you in many of these threads, wrote these words:



That was him flat-out saying that he hopes Butch does NOT win the East this fall, because he believes that might extend Butch's tenure as head coach.

In other words, he dislikes Butch so much that he wants our team to have a terrible season just to increase the chance our AD fires him.

And, as I said, VolunteerHillbilly sounds a LOT like you in a LOT of these threads.

So, when you frequently make the same sounds as people who don't feel any sense of loyalty to or respect for our coaches, players, or fellow fans, do not be surprised when other fans lump you with guys like this.

Bearded is the leader of the NegaVols! Future Alabama fan if you ask me!!!

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Bearded is the leader of the NegaVols! Future Alabama fan if you ask me!!!

John R. Lansford, brother, you need to go back on your meds.

No true Tennessee fan ever becomes a fan of Bama, or Florida, Georgia, Vandy, South Carolina, Kentucky, Notre Dame, FSU, Boston College, or Washington State.

It just doesn't happen. It's not one of the transitions that takes place in nature.

Frustrated Vols fans can become cool on the sport. Stop going to games. Stop watching games. Even stop wishing the team well.

But they're never going to wander over to a different team and start cheering for it.

Human nature simply does not work that way.

...

Plus, I don't think Bearded is in any leadership role here. He's been vocal lately, sure, but I haven't seen any NegaVol pick up the leadership mantle. They are, as a group, far too disrespectful of others (to include each other) for that ever to work well.