Other Coaches' Views on Butch Jones and Our Team

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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
Who cares what other people say? You cannot win when you listen to the critics. We could have a perfect season with a national championship, and there will still be people talking trash. It's garbage
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When I was a kid there was a popular saying,, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me".
Well the part about "stones" is still true, but "words" this day and time I think they can and do harm. Mainly because many people believe what they read is true. There was another saying about hear, read or see,,, o well who gives a da--!!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Bearded, it wasn't even a week ago that VolunteerHillbilly, who in many ways sounds a LOT like you in many of these threads, wrote these words:



That was him flat-out saying that he hopes Butch does NOT win the East this fall, because he believes that might extend Butch's tenure as head coach.

In other words, he dislikes Butch so much that he wants our team to have a terrible season just to increase the chance our AD fires him.

And, as I said, VolunteerHillbilly sounds a LOT like you in a LOT of these threads.

So, when you frequently make the same sounds as people who don't feel any sense of loyalty to or respect for our coaches, players, or fellow fans, do not be surprised when other fans lump you with guys like this.
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VolunteerHillBilly can clarify what "getting lucky" means in his post if he chooses to. If he means that he'd rather UT lose games so that Butch gets fired, then I stand corrected, there's your one post(er).
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
So, when you frequently make the same sounds as people who don't feel any sense of loyalty to or respect for our coaches, players, or fellow fans, do not be surprised when other fans lump you with guys like this.
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It's also a symptom of being so convinced of your opinion that said coach is bad that any success they might have is temporary and/or illusory, so you don't even want it to happen because it might convince the school to keep the coach (because, after all, you just know for a fact that you are right). You know for a fact that your coach isn't good enough and is going to lose games, but even if the coach does win games, it's a fluke and they should be fired anyway. How convenient. No matter what happens, your opinion is "correct."

It's just a desperate sense of wanting to be "right" even more than wanting to see the team be successful.

There were a lot of LSU fans that thought that way about Les Miles after the 2015 season and going into 2016 (i.e., disappointed he beat A&M and was carried off the field, wanted him to lose to Wisconsin and/or Auburn) because they were so convinced he still wasn't a good enough coach they didn't want him to win and stick around.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Whats hilarious is there's a thread floating around with a poll and multiple people actually believe CBJ should be fired if he wins 10 games.
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It's a poll with dumb voting options. And only 2% said if he goes 10-2 with a bowl loss and do not win the East he should be fired. Stupid poll and some outlier idiots.....it's hardly a reflection of the fan base.
 
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Being anonymous... these comments could be expressions of grudge against a perceived rival or simple honesty. Fact is... only one thing will make them true or false.

FWIW, if this is what they're saying to reporters then it doesn't take much imagination to see why recruiting has been more uphill the last couple of years.
 
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BeardedVol said:
See how easy it is to reverse True Fan™ logic?

A fan doesn't have to display abject hero-worship of the head coach, and a total lack of critical thinking skills to be a true fan of the program.
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No one is worshiping Jones. Where the h*ll did you get that? We are just informed enough to not make a conclusion based off a season where the team was living up to expectations before injuries took a toll. Look at the amount of points that Tennessee was giving up to better teams at the beginning of the schedule (less), compared to the end of the schedule with weaker teams (more). The only logical conclusion to draw is that the depleted defense could not hold up. But it's obvious a lot of people on this site stopped using logic a while ago.
 
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BeardedVol said:
No one wants UT to lose, no one wants Butch to lose. Have you seen a single post on here or anywhere that says "I hope we go 3-9 in 2017 so that Butch gets fired"? Predicting losses is not the same as wanting those losses to occur. Being pragmatic about a coach "finally getting it together" in his 5th season, who hasn't in the previous 4 seasons, is about a rational of mindset one can have on the subject.
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Is it pragmatic( I can use large words to make myself feel smarter too) to hope a coach gets fired after watching what has transpired over the last ten years at the university of Tennessee? The guy is improving he's won 9 games in each of the last two years and beat some pretty good football teams. Rome wasn't built in a day, and we can't get away with paying players like Alabama does so it might help you to develop a little patience.
 
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05_never_again said:
I know - but it is always for the same reason; because they ask uncomfortable questions.

The uncomfortable questions they ask Saban aren't about winning, because he does plenty of that. They are about player arrests, members of his staff leaving, Saban himself potentially leaving for the NFL, etc. Just stuff he'd rather not talk about.
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You can't generalize in your original comment and then be specific to support your flawed logic. Either the coach likes the media or they don't. The reasoning doesn't matter.
 
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The quote about the quality of the players was bullshad and obvious slander by a certified douche canoe...I'm guessing muschump.

All in all, some great motivational posters for team 121!
 
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As for Defense being that bad...well they did have some horrendous injuries, but it was still very bad in execution compared with 2015.

But I think the Coaching upgrades will pay off in spades this upcoming season. Rock, Hoke, Warren will help the team to make great strides on D and hopefully stay healthier. Plus all those injuries last season means there is a lot more experience for the backups/new starters.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Bearded, it wasn't even a week ago that VolunteerHillbilly, who in many ways sounds a LOT like you in many of these threads, wrote these words:



That was him flat-out saying that he hopes Butch does NOT win the East this fall, because he believes that might extend Butch's tenure as head coach.

In other words, he dislikes Butch so much that he wants our team to have a terrible season just to increase the chance our AD fires him.

And, as I said, VolunteerHillbilly sounds a LOT like you in a LOT of these threads.

So, when you frequently make the same sounds as people who don't feel any sense of loyalty to or respect for our coaches, players, or fellow fans, do not be surprised when other fans lump you with guys like this.
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If he wins this year and continues winning, then great. I hope he does not have one good year and then resume losing games he should win. Not sure how you got hoping for a bad season out of that but it's not surprising as I'm not sure how you come to a lot of your conclusions.
 
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KBVol said:
It's a poll with dumb voting options. And only 2% said if he goes 10-2 with a bowl loss and do not win the East he should be fired. Stupid poll and some outlier idiots.....it's hardly a reflection of the fan base.
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So if Butch somehow manages to go 10-2 without winning the East and loses whatever bowl we end up in, you're gonna be fine with him coaching through 2018?

And anyone that thinks he should be replaced if that exact scenario plays out, are idiots?

Just making sure I understand correctly, because I'm one of the few that has been wrong in my assumptions lately.
 
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Behr said:
So if Butch somehow manages to go 10-2 without winning the East and loses whatever bowl we end up in, you're gonna be fine with him coaching through 2018?

And anyone that thinks he should be replaced if that exact scenario plays out, are idiots?

Just making sure I understand correctly, because I'm one of the few that has been wrong in my assumptions lately.
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If Butch Jones wins 10 games next season, in 2017, he will 100% be the head coach in 2018, and he should be. The bowl game is meaningless. Also, if he does win 10 games, what are the chances he doesn't win a bad SECe? Virtually none I'd say, so it wasn't a very good poll question imo.
 
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KBVol said:
If Butch Jones wins 10 games next season, in 2017, he will 100% be the head coach in 2018, and he should be. The bowl game is meaningless. Also, if he does win 10 games, what are the chances he doesn't win a bad SECe? Virtually none I'd say, so it wasn't a very good poll question imo.
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I didn't ask if he would or should be the coach with a 10-2 record. There is no doubt he will, and probably should be. I asked if he goes 10-2, loses the bowl and doesn't make it to Atlanta, are you going to be fine if he is retained?

I most certainly think 10-2 wins the East, but that wasn't the question either.

I understand it's a dumb poll and a dumb question, sorry to be the first to engage in something so silly. But I have asked myself over and over what's it going to take to feel good about retaining Butch after the 2017 season. I decided he has to win the East for me to be happy with him.

Then I go through several scenarios and come down to, what if he goes 10-2 with both being SEC losses and Florida or Georgia only has 1 SEC loss? Am I going to stick to my guns? Probably, but I reserve the right to change my mind depending on who, what, when, where and why's of the whole season.

Anyway, thanks for responding. I enjoyed the discussion. :)
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
You can't generalize in your original comment and then be specific to support your flawed logic. Either the coach likes the media or they don't. The reasoning doesn't matter.
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I don't think any coach really likes the media. I think it is pretty clearly because they tend to ask questions that make coaches uncomfortable. I said this in the original comment.

The exact questions asked are different, but they still are questions coaches don't want to answer. How exactly is that "flawed logic?"
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
The quote about the quality of the players was bullshad and obvious slander by a certified douche canoe...I'm guessing muschump.

All in all, some great motivational posters for team 121!
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It wasn't remotely close to either slander or libel. It was benign, really.
 
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jarnol32 said:
How can you be a Tennessee fan and not be a Butch supporter. Either you are a Tennessee fan and you hope they win every game ( which means you are supporting Butch) or you are simply not a fan, period.
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I'm jags fan. Gus Bradley's firing was the best thing to happen to the jags in the past four years. I'm happy as hell he's gone. Does this mean I'm not a true jags fan? Or does the fact that I've stuck behind that dumpster fire of a franchise make me one. It doesn't matter who's at the helm. If they brought over "uuuge play" Bob Davie from new Mexico id still say go Vols.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, you're right, that's true.

And a member of a team doesn't have to support his team mates, either. He can trash talk them constantly.

But that kind of team member is showing a distinct lack of some of the values that are central to American culture. Loyalty ... respect for others ... selflessness.

Fans of a team are like a big, diffuse team themselves. They share a common goal and, often, a cultural underpinning (say, being a Tennessee native). There's a degree of expectation of mutual support in being fellow fans...not nearly as strong as being on the team, of course, but it exists nonetheless.

So to trash talk our coach, or our players, or even each other, is a violation of those values. Mild, sure, because of the weakness of the linkage among fans and the program, there's almost zero requirement of commitment, but still, something.

Sure. You can disrespect our coaches and/or players and still be a "Tennessee fan," but fans who do feel a sense of loyalty and mutual respect for the program, the coaches, the players, and each other are certainly going to think less of you for it.

You'll just have to live with that.
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There are times I would like to respond to posts bashing our coach but there are basically 2 reasons I don't.

1. You express it way better than I ever could.

2. I get aggravated easily and tired of the same mantra over and over and finally just wanna give them the finger and say stfu.

Yes, I also have questions about CBJ and his coaching abilities. I'm not sure if he possesses the skills or the coaching ability to take us back to elite status. I can form my own opinion on him and it really won't be decided by what I read on here but rather how he coaches and represents the univetsity.

I'm not satisfied where we aare as a football program and I don't think CBJ is either. But he is my coach for the upcoming year and there ain't a dang thing I can do about it. Complaining, and debating, and beating everyone around me over the head constantly with why I'm unhappy with him solves nothing, gains nothing, it would just make me seem like a generally unhappy and bitter person. It gets old.
 
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Behr said:
I didn't ask if he would or should be the coach with a 10-2 record. There is no doubt he will, and probably should be. I asked if he goes 10-2, loses the bowl and doesn't make it to Atlanta, are you going to be fine if he is retained?

I most certainly think 10-2 wins the East, but that wasn't the question either.

I understand it's a dumb poll and a dumb question, sorry to be the first to engage in something so silly. But I have asked myself over and over what's it going to take to feel good about retaining Butch after the 2017 season. I decided he has to win the East for me to be happy with him.

Then I go through several scenarios and come down to, what if he goes 10-2 with both being SEC losses and Florida or Georgia only has 1 SEC loss? Am I going to stick to my guns? Probably, but I reserve the right to change my mind depending on who, what, when, where and why's of the whole season.

Anyway, thanks for responding. I enjoyed the discussion. :)
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Would I much prefer that he win the SECe? Absolutely. It was unacceptable that he didn't last year. However, if he goes 10-2 overall and 6-2 or even 7-1 in the conference and still doesn't get to the SECCG, I gotta believe that right now, on June 6, I'm good with the significant improvement. Can never 100% know given how things shake out for sure, but I've gotta believe that's the case for now.

Appreciate your civil discourse as well. Go Vols.
 
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Smoked Cheddar said:
Ummm, if Haslem and 'big boosters' leave UT we will not have the facilities or $$$ to compete in the SEC.
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The big boosters can stay. I prefer Haslam stop acting like he is GM/owner of UT football.

New music building and Glocker replacement still hasn't won any games.
 
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