Orangeslice13, a blessing to those around him…..Again

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@SpaceCoastVol
Ok. It’s pretty clear that most denominations claim that Galatians teachs the law of G-d no longer applies. And doesn’t define what sin is.
I think that’s in error. Paul was a teacher of the law and possibly the best of his day. That’s why he was called.
Now I don’t agree with everything in this link but it does illustrate a different opinion. Both sides of this debate can’t be right.

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Galatians Proves that we Should Observe The Law (Torah) - Part 1 - EliYah Ministries

Examining the 1st chapter of Galatians, verse by verse.
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Orangeslice13 said:
@jvol1
The law or Torah is still the definition of sin even after the cross.
Thoughts.
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I see the cross as a fiction introduced into christianity by paul to make the religion appeal to gentiles and make Jews reject it, thats Paul's real mission to my way of seeing things. I think jesus meant to reform the law by making his commandments the ultimate interpretive principles of the law. I dont think the intent was to replace the Torah, just provide guidance as to its application and/or applicability as times change.
 
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jvol1 said:
I see the cross as a fiction introduced into christianity by paul to make the religion appeal to gentiles and make Jews reject it, thats Paul's real mission to my way of seeing things. I think jesus meant to reform the law by making his commandments the ultimate interpretive principles of the law. I dont think the intent was to replace the Torah, just provide guidance as to its application and/or applicability as times change.
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I would counter that both Yeshua (Jesus) were teachers of the law. I would argue that a great many things had been added to the law that were not from the most high. So I’d say yeshua was reforming the understanding of the law and rejecting the tradition of man added to the law. Paul was the Pharisee of Pharisees. He was called to bring understanding to the rest of the world. Paul is the most misrepresented man in history. Even Peter said Paul was complex and the uneducated (in Torah) twist his words to their destruction.

I often offer the challenge….show me any teaching of Paul or Yeshua and I’ll show you its foundation in Torah
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I would counter that both Yeshua (Jesus) were teachers of the law. I would argue that a great many things had been added to the law that were not from the most high. So I’d say yeshua was reforming the understanding of the law and rejecting the tradition of man added to the law. Paul was the Pharisee of Pharisees. He was called to bring understanding to the rest of the world. Paul is the most misrepresented man in history. Even Peter said Paul was complex and the uneducated (in Torah) twist his words to their destruction.

I often offer the challenge….show me any teaching of Paul or Yeshua and I’ll show you its foundation in Torah
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Paul certainly did we gentiles a great favor by bringing the teachings of jesus to us.
 
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McDad said:
Don't think so. May depend on:
- what is meant by "definition",
- if think sin can exist after Christ took on the world's sin on the cross.
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How do you define sin?
After the resurrection will you still have free will and therefore be capable of sin?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
How do you define sin?
After the resurrection will you still have free will and therefore be capable of sin?
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Thought provoking Qs.
Sin, in my layman's terms, would be an act or thought which violates God's (Father Son Spirit) commandment, Word, will, or expectation and puts us in opposition to God's goodness, majesty, and glory.

I do not know about my capacity to exist in opposition to God after resurrection. If there are fallen Angels who opposed God, I would think the concept is possible but I don't know if angels are different from us in that way.

What about you?
 
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McDad said:
Thought provoking Qs.
Sin, in my layman's terms, would be an act or thought which violates God's (Father Son Spirit) commandment, Word, will, or expectation and puts us in opposition to God's goodness, majesty, and glory.

I do not know about my capacity to exist in opposition to God after resurrection. If there are fallen Angels who opposed God, I would think the concept is possible but I don't know if angels are different from us in that way.

What about you?
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Sin is very simply “missing the mark” as defined by Paul who was teaching from Jeremiah. Sin can be evil be doesn’t have to be. Under the sacrificial system there were sacrifices for sins you did not know you committed. Which begs the question…how are sins forgiven? And what how is atonement different than forgiveness? What did messiah actually do for you at the cross?
There’s a whole lot to unpack when you start down this path.

Personally with the return of the sacrificial system during the reign of messiah and that system for ceremonial purposes, and the fact that the system is called “forever “ ……I believe free will is intact past glorified bodies. And I believe it tracks with scripture.
 
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