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Atlanta VOL said:
Watching this thread when I can I must admit can be pretty entertaining. Trying to catch up on a flight as we speak. Couple of bullet points to keep some folks that have really bad information in check here...and that’s really all I can do at this point again have to protect the university, the process, and my relationship with it. Everyone will know when we have a new hire...

1. Gruden was not at Calhouns yesterday.
2. Currie primarily flies commercial on UT business..guy is a hustler and should be respected for that.
3. No need to ever track wheels up planes those are not being used for UT business
4. The vast majority of meetings are NOT happening in any location that would “make sense” (Ie, Knoxville etc)
5. Great lengths have been gone into keeping the tail numbers etc that are being used different from ones that have really ever been posted in here before. Take into account my company alone has 5 planes now that may or may not be used all of which none of those tails are known...so imagine how many others are out there. Additionally usually the registration of said planes are done with essentially phony LLC’s in states other than where the planes are used or kept that have no connection to anything that could ever get traced back to an individual.
6. There is a sense of urgency to get this done as quickly as possible but you can’t force someone’s hand purely with $$$. If it were that easy we would have someone already.

I hope everyone who was able to go to game yesterday enjoyed the experience as much as possible. I was bummed that the weather sucked....first time in box for entire game for me in a long time.

I am around a bit today relaxing preparing to turn and burn for the holiday week...I wish each and everyone of you and your families a wonderful thanksgiving holiday. Take time to hug your wife, kids, and parents if they are still around. That’s what its all about.
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Thanks AV, you as well.
 
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Zues1 said:
Why even consider a bowl with 5 wins, why?
let's just regroup with a new staff and try to heal up for 2018.
These guys need all the weight room time they are allotted
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I agree, taking a bowl bid at 5-7 is embarrassing, but if The Grud agrees to coach it, it would be worth it for him to spend the time evaluating the team. For him to see what he needs to recruit. I know everybody talks about this Dec. Signing period, but there is still a lot of recruiting to do after that.
 
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Chatt Vol said:
I apologize for asking a stupid question I’ve been working here for a long time and still do not know what this means.


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It just means that the poster is paying attention to something. Say if you quote something and respond with a "." It means you have my attention, or this is interesting to me. It's a dot.
 
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10ecVol said:
Grand Vol: what do you think about the above behavior exhibited by Gruden? It's going to be tough living in Knoxille if he has strung us along I think.
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My thoughts?

Fairly simple, he's interested enough to be mulling over the final contract and/or already committed. Remember, we keep hearing an MOU was signed. HearForGrumors and CWV (and the other lawyer types that deal in that area that I might have missed) can shed better information on how many times someone backs out after negotiations have gone that far, but I'd dare say the percentage isn't high at all. Because when two parties agree in principle on something and the details just need to get ironed out, the details tend to get ironed out. One side knows how bad the other wants it and are playing the process (Beaver alluded to this I believe) to get additional concessions and the other side eventually relents or counter-proposes in the middle where the other party really wants to be.

An analogy would be those of us .mil folks that have been deployed to the Middle East and seeing the off base vendors with the fake Rolex watches. The vendors start at a price of $100 and maybe they get it. But generally? They are willing to settle for about $20 or so. But they always start at the ridiculous levels because of the PT Barnum rule.

Gruden very likely has a smart agent. He'll start at the ridiculous level, but be willing to settle for something a little less. Currie knows this and is willing to give up a little on that front as well to meet in the middle where he knows it will end up. But you never start by giving the mouse a cookie. You haggle, negotiate, propose, claim unreasonableness, maybe even walk away for a short while, come back and give in slightly, let the other side give in a little and eventually end up where they wanted and you are willing to give.

Something our politicians in Washington have forgotten how to do. (and that's a non-political statement) But anyway...

Gruden hasn't flat turned us down nor shot it down yet because either the process is so far along the minor details are going to be ironed out or are so petty they won't affect the overall outcome. And the outcome?

He's agreed in principle to be the next coach at UT. He knows it, Currie knows it, Peyton and Fulmer know it (notice how suspiciously quiet those two are?), the money men know it and they know the deal will get settled if it hasn't already.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Watching this thread when I can I must admit can be pretty entertaining. Trying to catch up on a flight as we speak. Couple of bullet points to keep some folks that have really bad information in check here...and that’s really all I can do at this point again have to protect the university, the process, and my relationship with it. Everyone will know when we have a new hire...

1. Gruden was not at Calhouns yesterday.
2. Currie primarily flies commercial on UT business..guy is a hustler and should be respected for that.
3. No need to ever track wheels up planes those are not being used for UT business
4. The vast majority of meetings are NOT happening in any location that would “make sense” (Ie, Knoxville etc)
5. Great lengths have been gone into keeping the tail numbers etc that are being used different from ones that have really ever been posted in here before. Take into account my company alone has 5 planes now that may or may not be used all of which none of those tails are known...so imagine how many others are out there. Additionally usually the registration of said planes are done with essentially phony LLC’s in states other than where the planes are used or kept that have no connection to anything that could ever get traced back to an individual.
6. There is a sense of urgency to get this done as quickly as possible but you can’t force someone’s hand purely with $$$. If it were that easy we would have someone already.

I hope everyone who was able to go to game yesterday enjoyed the experience as much as possible. I was bummed that the weather sucked....first time in box for entire game for me in a long time.

I am around a bit today relaxing preparing to turn and burn for the holiday week...I wish each and everyone of you and your families a wonderful thanksgiving holiday. Take time to hug your wife, kids, and parents if they are still around. That’s what its all about.
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#6 is interesting
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Watching this thread when I can I must admit can be pretty entertaining. Trying to catch up on a flight as we speak. Couple of bullet points to keep some folks that have really bad information in check here...and that’s really all I can do at this point again have to protect the university, the process, and my relationship with it. Everyone will know when we have a new hire...

1. Gruden was not at Calhouns yesterday.
2. Currie primarily flies commercial on UT business..guy is a hustler and should be respected for that.
3. No need to ever track wheels up planes those are not being used for UT business
4. The vast majority of meetings are NOT happening in any location that would “make sense” (Ie, Knoxville etc)
5. Great lengths have been gone into keeping the tail numbers etc that are being used different from ones that have really ever been posted in here before. Take into account my company alone has 5 planes now that may or may not be used all of which none of those tails are known...so imagine how many others are out there. Additionally usually the registration of said planes are done with essentially phony LLC’s in states other than where the planes are used or kept that have no connection to anything that could ever get traced back to an individual.
6. There is a sense of urgency to get this done as quickly as possible but you can’t force someone’s hand purely with $$$. If it were that easy we would have someone already.

I hope everyone who was able to go to game yesterday enjoyed the experience as much as possible. I was bummed that the weather sucked....first time in box for entire game for me in a long time.

I am around a bit today relaxing preparing to turn and burn for the holiday week...I wish each and everyone of you and your families a wonderful thanksgiving holiday. Take time to hug your wife, kids, and parents if they are still around. That’s what its all about.
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Thanks for the scoop. One question, you had mentioned previously that your presence here, or lack thereof would be a signal of sorts. All I wanna know, does that still hold true? No need for details, I’ll hang up to hear your reply. And thanks again!
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Watching this thread when I can I must admit can be pretty entertaining. Trying to catch up on a flight as we speak. Couple of bullet points to keep some folks that have really bad information in check here...and that’s really all I can do at this point again have to protect the university, the process, and my relationship with it. Everyone will know when we have a new hire...

1. Gruden was not at Calhouns yesterday.
2. Currie primarily flies commercial on UT business..guy is a hustler and should be respected for that.
3. No need to ever track wheels up planes those are not being used for UT business
4. The vast majority of meetings are NOT happening in any location that would “make sense” (Ie, Knoxville etc)
5. Great lengths have been gone into keeping the tail numbers etc that are being used different from ones that have really ever been posted in here before. Take into account my company alone has 5 planes now that may or may not be used all of which none of those tails are known...so imagine how many others are out there. Additionally usually the registration of said planes are done with essentially phony LLC’s in states other than where the planes are used or kept that have no connection to anything that could ever get traced back to an individual.
6. There is a sense of urgency to get this done as quickly as possible but you can’t force someone’s hand purely with $$$. If it were that easy we would have someone already.

I hope everyone who was able to go to game yesterday enjoyed the experience as much as possible. I was bummed that the weather sucked....first time in box for entire game for me in a long time.

I am around a bit today relaxing preparing to turn and burn for the holiday week...I wish each and everyone of you and your families a wonderful thanksgiving holiday. Take time to hug your wife, kids, and parents if they are still around. That’s what its all about.
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Thank You for the experience Atlanta Vol. Me and the little one had a blast. Sat by a Navy Vet and his wife. My little girl had a blast, high fiving and cheering for her Vols. Thank you again, for providing us the opportunity to experience that together.
 
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Atlanta VOL said:
Watching this thread when I can I must admit can be pretty entertaining. Trying to catch up on a flight as we speak. Couple of bullet points to keep some folks that have really bad information in check here...and that’s really all I can do at this point again have to protect the university, the process, and my relationship with it. Everyone will know when we have a new hire...

1. Gruden was not at Calhouns yesterday.
2. Currie primarily flies commercial on UT business..guy is a hustler and should be respected for that.
3. No need to ever track wheels up planes those are not being used for UT business
4. The vast majority of meetings are NOT happening in any location that would “make sense” (Ie, Knoxville etc)
5. Great lengths have been gone into keeping the tail numbers etc that are being used different from ones that have really ever been posted in here before. Take into account my company alone has 5 planes now that may or may not be used all of which none of those tails are known...so imagine how many others are out there. Additionally usually the registration of said planes are done with essentially phony LLC’s in states other than where the planes are used or kept that have no connection to anything that could ever get traced back to an individual.
6. There is a sense of urgency to get this done as quickly as possible but you can’t force someone’s hand purely with $$$. If it were that easy we would have someone already.

I hope everyone who was able to go to game yesterday enjoyed the experience as much as possible. I was bummed that the weather sucked....first time in box for entire game for me in a long time.

I am around a bit today relaxing preparing to turn and burn for the holiday week...I wish each and everyone of you and your families a wonderful thanksgiving holiday. Take time to hug your wife, kids, and parents if they are still around. That’s what its all about.
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Thanks AV! Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
 
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hammer81tn said:
Does all big business get done like this? That's an awful lot of subterfuge from us plebs
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Sure is.

I'd like Atlanta to comment on my last post if he has the time. Other than the obvious "yes, Gruden is coming" bit, but rather the negotiation portion of it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My thoughts?

Fairly simple, he's interested enough to be mulling over the final contract and/or already committed. Remember, we keep hearing an MOU was signed. HearForGrumors and CWV (and the other lawyer types that deal in that area that I might have missed) can shed better information on how many times someone backs out after negotiations have gone that far, but I'd dare say the percentage isn't high at all. Because when two parties agree in principle on something and the details just need to get ironed out, the details tend to get ironed out. One side knows how bad the other wants it and are playing the process (Beaver alluded to this I believe) to get additional concessions and the other side eventually relents or counter-proposes in the middle where the other party really wants to be.

An analogy would be those of us .mil folks that have been deployed to the Middle East and seeing the off base vendors with the fake Rolex watches. The vendors start at a price of $100 and maybe they get it. But generally? They are willing to settle for about $20 or so. But they always start at the ridiculous levels because of the PT Barnum rule.

Gruden very likely has a smart agent. He'll start at the ridiculous level, but be willing to settle for something a little less. Currie knows this and is willing to give up a little on that front as well to meet in the middle where he knows it will end up. But you never start by giving the mouse a cookie. You haggle, negotiate, propose, claim unreasonableness, maybe even walk away for a short while, come back and give in slightly, let the other side give in a little and eventually end up where they wanted and you are willing to give.

Something our politicians in Washington have forgotten how to do. (and that's a non-political statement) But anyway...

Gruden hasn't flat turned us down nor shot it down yet because either the process is so far along the minor details are going to be ironed out or are so petty they won't affect the overall outcome. And the outcome?

He's agreed in principle to be the next coach at UT. He knows it, Currie knows it, Peyton and Fulmer know it (notice how suspiciously quiet those two are?), the money men know it and they know the deal will get settled if it hasn't already.
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If I could give you more than 1 like, I would.
 
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Thanks for posting AV!! Hope you have a blessed Thanksgiving with your family. Love what all you did (and do)for so many!

GO VOLS!

SOON
 
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Grand Vol said:
Sure is.

I'd like Atlanta to comment on my last post if he has the time. Other than the obvious "yes, Gruden is coming" bit, but rather the negotiation portion of it.
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I'm not Atlanta, but I can confirm you are not far off.
 
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