Official 2014 Attrition/Transfer Thread

#153
#153
This should shut you geniuses up. GA has lost 10 players from the 2013 class in one year. I just added it up. Their program is way better than ours currently and has had way more success the last five years. Again I compared the 2013 recruiting class to what was listed on their roster this year. So in one year,they lost 10 recruits/ freshmen. They are not freaking because they know that it is normal. We have been so far away from normal that we don't know what normal is like. Guys step away from the ledge and relax.

Don't believe me, go and count it yourself.
 
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#154
#154
Yes, this is beginning to look like a problem. It's too early to make any judgements but none of this sounds good. College life is not for everyone, couple that with big time football pressure and it's probably overwhelming to some. I'm interested to see what's actually going on. Time will tell.
 
#155
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smokey0625 said:
This should shut you geniuses up. GA has lost 10 players from the 2013 class in one year. I just added it up. Their program is way better than ours currently and has had way more success the last five years. Again I compared the 2013 recruiting class to what was listed on their roster this year. So in one year,they lost 10 recruits/ freshmen. They are not freaking because they know that it is normal. We have been so far away from normal that we don't know what normal is like. Guys step away from the ledge and relax.

Don't believe me, go and count it yourself.
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It's not an issue at Georgia because there is no lack of depth. Depth has been used as an excuse here going on two years now. You can spin it any way you would like, but its gonna be an issue if the trend continues. We're not talking about players that are or should be redshirting. These are guys that have played.
 
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I can remember more than a few times being in Neyland on senior day wondering what happened to that 25 man class. It would be great if all that signed stayed four or five years and gave their all to Tennessee but it normally doesn't work out that way.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
It's not an issue at Georgia because there is no lack of depth. Depth has been used as an excuse here going on two years now. You can spin it any way you would like, but its gonna be an issue if the trend continues. We're not talking about players that are or should be redshirting. These are guys that have played.
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What's the number of players and names of those that have left as a fact right now? When I have more facts I'll make my assessment. I'm not gonna spin an assessment on someone's already spun assessment on something that might not even be spinning.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
It's not an issue at Georgia because there is no lack of depth. Depth has been used as an excuse here going on two years now. You can spin it any way you would like, but its gonna be an issue if the trend continues. We're not talking about players that are or should be redshirting. These are guys that have played.
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You're my point. Relax.

You realize that if we average 21 per graduating class that we will have 84, one less than the allowed 85. I say this to show you that we can lose 11 signees from this past years class and we will have that magic number of 21. Relax, depth won't come in one year, but over four years it will come.

We didn't have depth with Dooley and kiffin because their classes had way less than 21 left for the senior class.
 
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#159
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Somewhere Riley Furgeson is thinking about his decision to transfer. . . therefore, it doesnt always mean they are so awesome they want to start somewhere else. Sometimes, they see that they are not as good as their star rating was in HS and will not get much starting time.
 
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jonnon111 said:
Somewhere Riley Furgeson is thinking about his decision to transfer. . . therefore, it doesnt always mean they are so awesome they want to start somewhere else. Sometimes, they see that they are not as good as their star rating was in HS and will not get much starting time.
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Yes, tried to explain that to leb. If a kid transfers it usually means you don't hear from them again. Si did research over transfers a few years ago that said the same thing.
 
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I think there is nothing to see here, this is just the nature of college football when you have good players competing for spots and playing time. We have not had the ability to recognize depth and consistent talent for a few years, we are not used to seeing 4* players leave due to competition or no playing time, but it is common throughout the NCAA. You have to think these guys came from their high school being the alpha male, and everything being about them, now they have to fight for a spot and if they don't get it they are just hidden away from all the publicity.

Look at the positions of the players:

Scott RB - We have Hurd who is clearly our feature back, plus we are bringing in Kamara, and others. He just does not want the extra competition when he already has not seen the field much. Obviously not knocking him, do not know the real situation, but this seems likely.

Hendrix and Henderson DE - We return a good majority of the D line, plus are adding some blue chip players as well. Our line needed the depth and subs this year, if the players were not making it on the field yet, then they probably were being outperformed by others. I hate to say it, because I was excited about Hendrix.

Helm TE - Wolf seems to be our TE moving forward, plus with the step up play of Alex Ellis, Helm probably just feels that he has no use on the team.

I do not know the specific scenarios and I know sometimes family or personal issues present themselves, as well as a player just not liking the school where he is at. But if you look at the positions, the players, and the talent we are brining in, it just seems that they do not want to compete or think the coaches are just recruiting over them. I know we have seen our fair share of recruits leave due to various reasons, but I think this is simply a counter effect of bringing in good players and having healthy competition within the program. If players do not want to stay to work hard, outperform another player to earn a spot, then we do not need them at the University of Tennessee.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You're my point. Relax.

You realize that if we average 21 per graduating class that we will have 84, one less than the allowed 85. I say this to show you that we can lose 11 signees from this past years class and we will have that magic number of 21. Relax, depth won't come in one year, but over four years it will come.

We didn't have depth with Dooley and kiffin because their classes had way less than 21 left for the senior class.
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If it were the numbers that only mattered it would be a different story. Just because there are numbers does not mean it equals depth. You do know what it means when someone states that "we lack depth" right?
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Not sure what that means, but when you start making my donations and buying my season tickets for me you'll have the right to tell me to relax. What? Because I made a counter to your point I'm tense?
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No, it's probably because you wear your heart on your sleeve and run around on here like your on fire when most if not all the facts have surfaced. Then invent, spin, and add poor info to a theory that the sky is falling. It gets monotonous.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Not sure what that means, but when you start making my donations and buying my season tickets for me you'll have the right to tell me to relax. What? Because I made a counter to your point I'm tense?
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I guess you need a I'm sorry that you donate and worry like a little girl about what all normal programs go through.

I feel for people that worry about something that does not matter. I don't worry, that's why we pay Jones a lot of money.
 
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roddo518 said:
No, it's probably because you wear your heart on your sleeve and run around on here like your on fire when most if not all the facts have surfaced. Then invent, spin, and add poor info to a theory that the sky is falling. It gets monotonous.
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Obviously your getting me confused with someone else. Unless you have your panties in a wad because I called you out when you started complaining about "trolls" and "negavols" constantly. But I'm not gonna get into a pissing match with you about something that is off topic.

If you have a counter point to anything that I have posted in regards to the subject of the thread that has any merit to it please post it.
 
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Helm and Hendrix are the only losses that will hurt imo

Scott wasn't moving up the depth chart anytime soon and Henderson was always an undersized project.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I guess you need a I'm sorry that you donate and worry like a little girl about what all normal programs go through.

I feel for people that worry about something that does not matter. I don't worry, that's why we pay Jones a lot of money.
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If your not worried about it then why are you involved in the thread?

There is no doubt that programs go through a phase of attrition with classes. Most of the time it's because of lack of playing, redshirt possibilities, buried on the depth chart, academics, injuries etc. Rarely do you see possibly five 4* guys that have played and are projected to have prominent roles on the depth chart transfer out. You lose a guy or two that has redshirted or just has not panned out its no big deal. Its not really hurting your "depth".

When your talking about depth, its not about numbers, its about the quality of the player behind the starters.

The sky is not falling and I never said it was. I simply made a counter point to your use of Georgia as an example.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If your not worried about it then why are you involved in the thread?

There is no doubt that programs go through a phase of attrition with classes. Most of the time it's because of lack of playing, redshirt possibilities, buried on the depth chart, academics, injuries etc. Rarely do you see possibly five 4* guys that have played and are projected to have prominent roles on the depth chart transfer out. You lose a guy or two that has redshirted or just has not panned out its no big deal. Its not really hurting your "depth".

When your talking about depth, its not about numbers, its about the quality of the player behind the starters.

The sky is not falling and I never said it was. I simply made a counter point to your use of Georgia as an example.
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I liked you so that I can show you that I care.
 
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roddo518 said:
No, it's probably because you wear your heart on your sleeve and run around on here like your on fire when most if not all the facts have surfaced. Then invent, spin, and add poor info to a theory that the sky is falling. It gets monotonous.
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Hmmmm...
 
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OrngeChkrboardVFL said:
Normal for me. We called it Hell's circle in high school. One person in the middle doing fast feet, coach would call out a jersey number and whoever had that number charged. Hopefully you got spun around in time to see who was coming and get set to take a hit...or if you were quick enough, offer your own punishment.

I bet Hurd absolutely loves this drill.
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Yes it's normal. They do it in middle school. What's not normal is for 4 or 5 players to be leaving when they were highly recruited. What is not normal is that no one is questioning what role the coaches are playing in this. Helm is gone also.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Relax. It's a kid that played and it happens. Hard to give specifics because most fresh that leave you never hear from again.
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Your posts here leave you with NO RIGHT to EVER use the "no experience/no talent" excuse again.

No. It IS NOT normal for Fr who play as Fr to leave a program.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I guess you need a I'm sorry that you donate and worry like a little girl about what all normal programs go through.
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It is normal that players leave. It is normal that Fr leave. It is NOT normal that Fr contributors with apparent bright futures within the program leave by the half dozens.

These are NOT the players you want leaving. Some of these are the guys who demonstrated AS FRESHMEN that they were SEC caliber players.

I feel for people that worry about something that does not matter. I don't worry, that's why we pay Jones a lot of money.
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Ignoring bad things isn't the same as "not worrying". It IS something akin to cowardice.
 
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UTRavens said:
Only if it's worse than the attrition other teams are facing. I'm not sure why people acting surprised that some players are going to be lost from a class of 34.
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these aren't players who it wasn't working out for. these are players that it WAS working out for. they were getting PT. They were (hopefully are) being groomed for bigger roles.
 
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