Obama's Nuclear Iran

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Grand Vol said:
I don't disagree, but I will say there is a time and a place to go into someone else's front yard and kick them in the teeth instead of having them come into ours and do the same.

The problem is at this point we have been and will continue to be a target. Even if we pack up everything and bring it home, we will still be a target for terrorists and others. Why? A multitude of reasons and not one is greater than the other. And even if we took our ball and went home, Iran is the type of country with a long memory about such things and will continue to support those that will attack us.

I understand the non-interventionist thought pattern. Unfortunately it just doesn't work at this point.
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Why are we a target GV? Could it be our past interventions, regime changes, CIA meddling, wars of aggression? The list is long.
 
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its not just the US that says who has nukes, the UN security counsel has a say, and this is one of the few measures that ever gets close to unanimous agreement. More nukes does not make the world a better place, which is why there have been consolidations and drop in numbers of nukes in the world. the UN also set up a very specific task force to monitor all the nations in the world to make sure this doesn't happen.
 
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LouderVol said:
its not just the US that says who has nukes, the UN security counsel has a say, and this is one of the few measures that ever gets close to unanimous agreement. More nukes does not make the world a better place, which is why there have been consolidations and drop in numbers of nukes in the world. the UN also set up a very specific task force to monitor all the nations in the world to make sure this doesn't happen.
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The UN is a joke period.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I love that word, allowing. Like we have some sort of authority over what another nation does with their resources.
Yet, we wonder why we're a target.
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When it comes to nuclear weaponry motives must always be questioned by the international community. To turn a blind eye and assume no harm will come of this is completely naive.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Why are we a target GV? Could it be our past interventions, regime changes, CIA meddling, wars of aggression? The list is long.
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The Soviet Union now Russia meddled and continues to meddle in other countries. They have fought wars of aggression, started proxy wars, limit freedoms and oppress people.

Just why are they not target #1?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The UN is a joke period.
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its the only thing we have. and it is something almost all nations are a part of, including Iran, and when you are a part of it you have to play by the rules or else you don't get a vote. This would be one area where you could consider Iran 'rogue'
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Why are we a target GV? Could it be our past interventions, regime changes, CIA meddling, wars of aggression? The list is long.
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Even without all of that..if America practiced isolationism..it would still be a target, albeit a much easier, softer target.

When you're the baddest dude on the block people are going to try and test you regardless of what you do or don't do.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Why are we a target GV? Could it be our past interventions, regime changes, CIA meddling, wars of aggression? The list is long.
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Okay, now I'll ask you this:

Has the US every been involved in a conflict that want attributed to our "meddling?"
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Even without all of that..if America practiced isolationism..it would still be a target, albeit a much easier, softer target.

When you're the baddest dude on the block people are going to try and test you regardless of what you do or don't do.
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Once again, there is a substantial difference between non-intervention and isolationism.
 
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LouderVol said:
its the only thing we have. and it is something almost all nations are a part of, including Iran, and when you are a part of it you have to play by the rules or else you don't get a vote. This would be one area where you could consider Iran 'rogue'
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Yeah but those "rules" go out the window with regards to Israel according to the US and the lap dog UN.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Once again, there is a substantial difference between non-intervention and isolationism.
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Hypothetical scenarios:

Russia attacks Poland, the old Czechoslovakia republics in the attempt to reform the old Soviet Bloc. Do we stay out of it?

Russia attacks Canada over pick a reason. Do we not intervene?
 
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hog88 said:
Hypothetical scenarios:

Russia attacks Poland, the old Czechoslovakia republics in the attempt to reform the old Soviet Bloc. Do we stay out of it?

Russia attacks Canada over pick a reason. Do we not intervene?
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No. Until we're atacked directly.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
No. Until we're atacked directly.
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What if said countries that are considered your allies come to you directly for aid and ask for your help? Are you implying the US would deny this request and turn a blind eye to their request? If your answer is yes then we will never see eye to eye on foreign policy.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah but those "rules" go out the window with regards to Israel according to the US and the lap dog UN.
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First off China and Russia are on the security counsel and i don't think either of them have ever said it was ok for Iran to have nukes.

and which rules are you referring to? the one on nukes came after Israel had them/we gave them the nukes.
 
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