Obama's Nuclear Iran

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Vol8188 said:
If you consider selling things for 1 dollar to be trade then you are willfully ignorant.
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ok did some quick research, we 'gave' britain around 30 billion dollars worth of stuff, we got a little less than 10 billion of it back. then there is the fact they allowed us to use Britain as a staging ground before the invasion. (there is also the consideration that ~5billion dollars worth of ships we gave them were no longer in service and so had zero value for us but is included in the 30)

so we sold our stuff for approx 1/3 its worth, and that's just what falls under the lend/lease, and not the other contracts we had with them. doesn't seem completely unreasonable as far as a business transaction. we gave discounted rates to ensure future transactions.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I'll take this quote and others to interpret that you think the United States is mainly responsible for the majority of the world's problems since World War 1. I may very well be incorrect, but you seem to be the type of person that can't wait until the next time the U.S. ****s up, just so you can say " I told you so".
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Yeah, that's it exactly. I'm a hate America first kinda guy. Good lord.
If we're going to have a government and operate globally then the government should remain neutral in the affairs of other nations.
Because we wouldnt like it very much if they showed up here trying to dictate to us, now would we?

Back to the point of the thread.
Perhaps Iran wants a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to other nations. They have to know, if they launch on someone they're good as gone too.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, that's it exactly. I'm a hate America first kinda guy. Good lord.
If we're going to have a government and operate globally then the government should remain neutral in the affairs of other nations.
Because we wouldnt like it very much if they showed up here trying to dictate to us, now would we?

Back to the point of the thread.
Perhaps Iran wants a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to other nations. They have to know, if they launch on someone they're good as gone too.
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They might, then again they might think the rest of the world doesn't have the stones to retaliate. Or they might just want their 72 virgins.
 
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LouderVol said:
because of how many times they have been nuked in the past?
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Can you not see the end game? The end game is Russia. Anybody allied with Russia(Syria, Iran) are attacked either militarily or economically(sanctions)..

Why can't you guys see this?!?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Can you not see the end game? The end game is Russia. Anybody allied with Russia(Syria, Iran) are attacked either militarily or economically(sanctions)..

Why can't you guys see this?!?
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Yep, global conspiracy against Russia all masterminded by Obama and his cronies.

Let the bolded sink in for a minute.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, that's it exactly. I'm a hate America first kinda guy. Good lord.
If we're going to have a government and operate globally then the government should remain neutral in the affairs of other nations.
Because we wouldnt like it very much if they showed up here trying to dictate to us, now would we?

Back to the point of the thread.
Perhaps Iran wants a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to other nations. They have to know, if they launch on someone they're good as gone too.
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Basically I agree with your last point......but..... They have repeatedly sworn to wipe Israel off the map ... Maybe the religious leaders think it's their destiny .,,.. Who knows ...... But I doubt they'd have a problem allowing something to turn up missing and be found detonating in the U.S.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I've never said it was some dispicable act. I just said that they were justified in declaring war on us and that it was our own fault that we got caught up in it.
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Yeah, because remaining neutral was such a better idea. And getting in while we still had allies that weren't conquered by the Axis is a pretty stupid idea.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Back to the point of the thread.
Perhaps Iran wants a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to other nations. They have to know, if they launch on someone they're good as gone too.
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So would you trust them not to provide assistance to terror groups and rogue elements that could attack the US?
 
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Vol8188 said:
We do. But it was well known at the time how much they needed our oil, and that they would likely attack if we shut them off.
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Yeah they needed our oil to contribute to the wholesale slaughter of the Chinese people.

If you're all about not getting involved and such, wouldn't continuing to support their need for oil be helping them instead of staying neutral? Because in turn, that's basically being complicit to their actions in China.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yeah, that's it exactly. I'm a hate America first kinda guy. Good lord.
If we're going to have a government and operate globally then the government should remain neutral in the affairs of other nations.
Because we wouldnt like it very much if they showed up here trying to dictate to us, now would we?

Back to the point of the thread.
Perhaps Iran wants a nuclear weapon as a deterrent to other nations. They have to know, if they launch on someone they're good as gone too.
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I never said you were a hate America first kinda guy. However, I did say that I interpret what you write as though the United States should always be on defense and apologizing for their actions across the globe over the past century. You and several others in this thread always seem to find a way to blame the U.S. for every war or altercation that we have been involved in since World War 1. It's never anybody else's fault, we are just meddling and overstepping. I guess I will just never understand the mindset of someone like yourself or 8188.

I find several of you to be incredibly naïve.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So would you trust them not to provide assistance to terror groups and rogue elements that could attack the US?
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I do know this, when this government wages war, let's take the drone war for instance, they bomb a house or whatever in Yemen, they kill 20 people to kill one or two terrorists.
What does that do? What happens when a man or woman finds their child, or other loved one dead, who by all accounts was "collateral damage" what does that do? It creates more terrorists. This a a never ending war.
We need to bring our troops home and secure our nation, that's how you deal with external threats. That's supposedly what our military is for, national defense. Not to be traipsing the world, looking for more wars to fight. It's stupid. Our national debt speaks that truth as well. We're going broke, and we will not learn our lesson until we're bankrupt.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I do know this, when this government wages war, let's take the drone war for instance, they bomb a house or whatever in Yemen, they kill 20 people to kill one or two terrorists.
What does that do? What happens when a man or woman finds their child, or other loved one dead, who by all accounts was "collateral damage" what does that do? It creates more terrorists. This a a never ending war.
We need to bring our troops home and secure our nation, that's how you deal with external threats. That's supposedly what our military is for, national defense. Not to be traipsing the world, looking for more wars to fight. It's stupid. Our national debt speaks that truth as well. We're going broke, and we will not learn our lesson until we're bankrupt.
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I forget which WWII general said this, may even have the era wrong, "I would rather fight my enemy at his door step or else he will fight me at mine". or something like that. while we are spending ourselves into debt, the other option is to have a somewhat better expense budget in exchange for fighting/attacks here.
 
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LouderVol said:
I forget which WWII general said this, may even have the era wrong, "I would rather fight my enemy at his door step or else he will fight me at mine". or something like that. while we are spending ourselves into debt, the other option is to have a somewhat better expense budget in exchange for fighting/attacks here.
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Well if that's the case, why are our borders wide open? Kinda hard to fight a "war on terror" when your front door is wide open, don't you think?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I do know this, when this government wages war, let's take the drone war for instance, they bomb a house or whatever in Yemen, they kill 20 people to kill one or two terrorists.
What does that do? What happens when a man or woman finds their child, or other loved one dead, who by all accounts was "collateral damage" what does that do? It creates more terrorists. This a a never ending war.
We need to bring our troops home and secure our nation, that's how you deal with external threats. That's supposedly what our military is for, national defense. Not to be traipsing the world, looking for more wars to fight. It's stupid. Our national debt speaks that truth as well. We're going broke, and we will not learn our lesson until we're bankrupt.
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Why are 20 people living with a terrorist? Are they not aiding them by hiding them?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I do know this, when this government wages war, let's take the drone war for instance, they bomb a house or whatever in Yemen, they kill 20 people to kill one or two terrorists.
What does that do? What happens when a man or woman finds their child, or other loved one dead, who by all accounts was "collateral damage" what does that do? It creates more terrorists. This a a never ending war.
We need to bring our troops home and secure our nation, that's how you deal with external threats. That's supposedly what our military is for, national defense. Not to be traipsing the world, looking for more wars to fight. It's stupid. Our national debt speaks that truth as well. We're going broke, and we will not learn our lesson until we're bankrupt.
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I don't disagree, but I will say there is a time and a place to go into someone else's front yard and kick them in the teeth instead of having them come into ours and do the same.

The problem is at this point we have been and will continue to be a target. Even if we pack up everything and bring it home, we will still be a target for terrorists and others. Why? A multitude of reasons and not one is greater than the other. And even if we took our ball and went home, Iran is the type of country with a long memory about such things and will continue to support those that will attack us.

I understand the non-interventionist thought pattern. Unfortunately it just doesn't work at this point.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't disagree, but I will say there is a time and a place to go into someone else's front yard and kick them in the teeth instead of having them come into ours and do the same.

The problem is at this point we have been and will continue to be a target. Even if we pack up everything and bring it home, we will still be a target for terrorists and others. Why? A multitude of reasons and not one is greater than the other. And even if we took our ball and went home, Iran is the type of country with a long memory about such things and will continue to support those that will attack us.

I understand the non-interventionist thought pattern. Unfortunately it just doesn't work at this point.
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IMO the non-interventionist thought requires living in a vacuum. The world is too complex. Relationships between states, etc are too complex.

That being said, back to the original point. Allowing Iran to build a nuclear arsenal is nuts IMO. But I guess when the majority of people will spend their time reading about Bruce Jenner becoming a woman, we are pretty much doomed.
 
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theFallGuy said:
IMO the non-interventionist thought requires living in a vacuum. The world is too complex. Relationships between states, etc are too complex.

That being said, back to the original point. Allowing Iran to build a nuclear arsenal is nuts IMO. But I guess when the majority of people will spend their time reading about Bruce Jenner becoming a woman, we are pretty much doomed.
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I love that word, allowing. Like we have some sort of authority over what another nation does with their resources.
Yet, we wonder why we're a target.
 
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