No we are not wrong. We got robbed!

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JoAllan said:
for one that wasn’t even called……sooooo

“Missing” a call…per say is totally different than blowing a game by “claiming” progress when the runner progressed to the end zone.

Your trying to bring in an obscure rule that is literally never called. That happens an probably 50% of “scrums”……probably more…….and it’s not called.

You know and everyone knows Tennessee got jobbed on that play…….you simply keep trying to make a point that doesn’t even matter.

Even “if” they were to call it…….Tennessee would have gotten another play.
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It's not a dead ball foul and it occurred AFTER forward progress was stopped so it need not be called.

After he's stopped, Fant grabs. Anything that isn't a dead ball foul won't be called at that point.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's not a dead ball foul and it occurred AFTER forward progress was stopped so it need not be called.

After he's stopped, Fant grabs. Anything that isn't a dead ball foul won't be called at that point.
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There was never a stoppage in progress.

Why in the world wouldn’t you be saying “this” instead of trying to argue this rule that is never used?

Why even bring this up all these times if it’s “moot”……..seriously?

We have all seen guys get taken back 5 even 10 yards before “progress” is called many times……….the runner is literally falling “forward” without touching the turf, and tenths of seconds from his last push and hand across goal line……….there is literally no forward progress stoppage.

without Tennessee being jobbed the “only” thing they could have done is called the penalty which they never use………however Tennessee would have gotten another chance.
 
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JoAllan said:
There was never a stoppage in progress.

Why in the world wouldn’t you be saying “this” instead of trying to argue this rule that is never used?

Why even bring this up all these times if it’s “moot”……..seriously?

We have all seen guys get taken back 5 even 10 yards before “progress” is called many times……….the runner is literally falling “forward” without touching the turf, and tenths of seconds from his last push and hand across goal line……….there is literally no forward progress.

without Tennessee being jobbed the “only” thing they could have done is called the penalty which they never use………however Tennessee would have gotten another chance.
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Usually guys are pushed back, the whistle blows WELL after they are pushed back but the spot is at forward progress, not the whistle.

Folks are arguing this spot should be at the whistle not when the line judge was running in spotting forward progress. You see him come in the video as you could see him come in lots of times in the game REGARDLESS of where the player ends up at the whistle. That's just not uncommon and it happened on this play.

I'm unsure at this point whether Heupel had a timeout left (you get one in overtime) but NCAA coach challenges require a timeout. If Heupel DID know the play could be challenged and DIDN'T press the issue....... hmmmmmm. If TN coaches DIDN'T know the play could be challenged....hmmmmmm.

He didn't like the call but didn't push a challenge if he had a timeout remaining. Despite the officials saying it couldn't be challenged, if you know the rules.....I think it could've been.
 
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#109
rocketskates said:
Robbed for sure. But if you just handle that last series correctly you’re kicking the game winning field goal. Not sure why you keep trying for bombs to the endzone when you only need 30 yards for a FG to win. Those sideline routes and slants were working just fine.
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I agree. We could have easily got into chip shot range and it was infuriating. Nevertheless, the most infuriating thing of this game came down to what I was fussing about the whole 5 hours…horrendous officiating.
 
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Just watched the video again and if Fant executes a halfway decent block, it's a near walk in TD.

How about we place blame at the source of the problem on the play. Watch the video. Someone on the interior misses #17 who hits Wright to slow him, Fant misses #7 who grabs Wright in the backfield.

Execute and this isn't a discussion.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Just watched the video again and if Fant executes a halfway decent block, it's a near walk in TD.

How about we place blame at the source of the problem on the play. Watch the video. Someone on the interior misses #17 who hits Wright to slow him, Fant misses #7 who grabs Wright in the backfield.

Execute and this isn't a discussion.
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How bout we quit playing what if’s and blaming everyone but who is responsible? It’s the damn officials job to get it right. They blew it. Fant isn’t pulling him into the end zone; it’s dumb as hell to argue that, not what was called by the official. Also the idiots reviewed a supposedly non reviewable call just to further cement their absolute incompetence.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Just watched the video again and if Fant executes a halfway decent block, it's a near walk in TD.

How about we place blame at the source of the problem on the play. Watch the video. Someone on the interior misses #17 who hits Wright to slow him, Fant misses #7 who grabs Wright in the backfield.

Execute and this isn't a discussion.
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We did execute. the ball crossed the goal line into the end zone without the ball carrier touching the ground and before the whistle sounded. That is a touchdown, period. The officials making a mistake doesn't negate that the play scored.
 
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DaddyChad said:
How bout we quit playing what if’s and blaming everyone but who is responsible? It’s the damn officials job to get it right. They blew it. Fant isn’t pulling him into the end zone; it’s dumb as hell to argue that, not what was called by the official. Also the idiots reviewed a supposedly non reviewable call just to further cement their absolute incompetence.
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How about we actually look at the play.

Wright gets hit right after he gets the ball by #17, then hit by #7 whom Fant missed.

Fant makes the block, he scores.

Heupel mentioned in his press conference, "we need to handle our controllable issues." Making your damn blocks is a controllable.

Watch the video.
 
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#115
No call by the Zebras should ever be
considered a “non reviewable “ call …EVER.
The fact that a referee can make a judgement call , on the goal line of all places , in the blink of an eye , that will determine the outcome of a game one way or another and it not be reviewable is one of the most stupid things in football .
 
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#119
90 Vol said:
I watched the game and video. It was a touchdown. You’re wasting your time trying to convince people that they really didn’t see what they saw.
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You can even watch Hendon Hooker's reaction and see he knows it wasn't a TD.

Just watch and key on Hooker or any of the TN players. They know it's short. Watch all of their reactions.
 
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#120
DC_Vol said:
I’ve bit my tongue for a long time when it comes to the officiating of Tennessee games.

1 - I don’t like to lean on the refs as an excuse for losing
2 - usually one bad / missed call shouldn’t be enough to cost you the game…there were other mistakes along the way

Both 1 and 2 apply to today’s game. We played poorly in all phases of the game.

The season is now over, so I’m going to throw it out there: I find it very hard to swallow how many calls go against us at critical junctures late in games. There are too many for it to be a mere coincidence. Be it a holding call that hasn’t been called all game, a pass interference, forward progress now.

I’m not alleging a conspiracy here, but I’m not ruling out anything nefarious either. It just feels like it happens too often to be a coincidence.
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When ncaa rules are created because of VOLS games. It’s not a conspiracy.
The ref inserted himself in the outcome of the game and decided it.
 
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rocketskates said:
Robbed for sure. But if you just handle that last series correctly you’re kicking the game winning field goal. Not sure why you keep trying for bombs to the endzone when you only need 30 yards for a FG to win. Those sideline routes and slants were working just fine.
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Its called keeping your opponent off guard.
 
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#125
The thing is it was not just the one call. I don’t recall a play where Butler didn’t get held. While yes, we committed severe PI’s that were called there were about half of those that the wr grasped our DB and pulled them into them, there was the horrible OT touchdown missed call. However the call that irritates me the most is the uncalled intentional grounding. Their QB was a good 10 - 12 yards directly behind the line (had not rolled out of pocket) & threw the ball at his O-line’s feet… No WR, TE or RB anywhere remotely on the area, how did they miss that???
 
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