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Darth_Shiveman said:
Nice backpedal there lol so now you’ve gone from “he was told if he didn’t have have surgery then he couldn’t play in 2018” to “well More time to heal means you’re more likely to play.”
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You can answer your own accusation here by explaining why you put something in quotations that I didn't say. Then you can move on to explaining how an article that doesn't say what you want it to say... was cited as proof that it did.

...but it seems pretty clear that the shoulder became an issue after he lost his starting spot and that he was basically checked out at that point.
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So it was never anything more than an assumption by you and a few others who want to push a false narrative that he "quit" the team.
 
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sjt18 said:
You can answer your own accusation here by explaining why you put something in quotations that I didn't say.
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Paraphrasing. Don’t be petty and act like the wording being slightly different changes the meaning of your posts.


Then you can move on to explaining how an article that doesn't say what you want it to say... was cited as proof that it did.


So it was never anything more than an assumption by you and a few others who want to push a false narrative that he "quit" the team.
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lol 1 article from over a week before Dormady had surgery quoting multiple sources saying Dormady had been dealing with the shoulder injury for quite some time and was contemplating where his football future was vs 0 articles saying Dormady had to shut down his season or he wouldn’t be able to play in 2018.

Go ahead and spin that however you want. I’m sure you’ll spend plenty of paragraphs teting to reconcile the fact that none of your bogus claims have ANYTHING to back them up other than the fact that you want them to be true.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Paraphrasing. Don’t be petty and act like the wording being slightly different changes the meaning of your posts.
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Not being petty. Don't be dishonest by changing people's words.

lol 1 article from over a week before Dormady had surgery quoting multiple sources saying Dormady had been dealing with the shoulder injury for quite some time and was contemplating where his football future was vs 0 articles saying Dormady had to shut down his season or he wouldn’t be able to play in 2018.

Go ahead and spin that however you want. I’m sure you’ll spend plenty of paragraphs teting to reconcile the fact that none of your bogus claims have ANYTHING to back them up other than the fact that you want them to be true.
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You are the one spinning and claiming you have the ability to read Dormady's mind and to understand what these articles really mean... even when they don't say what you think they really mean. There is zero evidence the guy just abandoned the team like some here are claiming. Lots of guys make personal decisions to leave a team and finish at another school. If Dormady's was football related then it was manifestly stupid since he stands very little chance of taking King's job. That's an assumption but it seems to be a pretty safe one. He left UT with an unknown new coach coming in and an open QB position... for a school that has an established starter. If he were running... why run to THAT?
 
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AND AGAIN... all this started as some JG fans tried to excuse his immature behavior by claiming that Dormady quit. Even if Dormady DID quit... it in no way, shape, or form excuses the way Guarantano behaved. If he has not matured... then it will be a problem again.
 
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None of US...for as much as we all care about the Vols...NEED to know.
Even more important...WVU don't need to know. I hope Coach Pruitt keeps it quiet until we all see one of those young men lead the team onto the field for the first offensive series.
 
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Power T-Rev said:
I don't understand the vitriol among our fans. Does it really matter who starts as long as we're kicking tail?
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EXACTLY!!! Whoever ends up starting at any of the positions gets my support. As a matter of fact,anyone that wants to wear the orange and white I'm gonna cheer for.

Although,,,,it is a little entertaining reading all the drama on here created by choosing sides. Thanks guys,lol.
 
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sjt18 said:
AND AGAIN... all this started as some JG fans tried to excuse his immature behavior by claiming that Dormady quit. Even if Dormady DID quit... it in no way, shape, or form excuses the way Guarantano behaved. If he has not matured... then it will be a problem again.
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Butch told both guys they would play in the GT game. Dormady was 8-20 at halftime but Butch still rode with him the whole game. He straight up lied to JG. If Dormady was playing well it would be a different story, but he wasn't up until halftime. Any natural competitor is going to be frustrated in that situation. Could JG have conducted himself better that day? Sure. But don't call out the immature behavior without providing the backstory of what led to it. And besides, that was the only time we saw that type of behavior from him. There is nothing to suggest he hasn't matured and learned since then.
 
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BisonVol said:
Butch told both guys they would play in the GT game. Dormady was 8-20 at halftime but Butch still rode with him the whole game. He straight up lied to JG. If Dormady was playing well it would be a different story, but he wasn't up until halftime. Any natural competitor is going to be frustrated in that situation. Could JG have conducted himself better that day? Sure. But don't call out the immature behavior without providing the backstory of what led to it. And besides, that was the only time we saw that type of behavior from him. There is nothing to suggest he hasn't matured and learned since then.
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JG looked even worse than Dormady and had a temper tantrum on the sidelines during the GT game when he was pulled for Dormady.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not being petty. Don't be dishonest by changing people's words.
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Petty and butthurt. This coming from Captain Strawman argument.

You are the one spinning and claiming you have the ability to read Dormady's mind and to understand what these articles really mean... even when they don't say what you think they really mean. There is zero evidence the guy just abandoned the team like some here are claiming. Lots of guys make personal decisions to leave a team and finish at another school. If Dormady's was football related then it was manifestly stupid since he stands very little chance of taking King's job. That's an assumption but it seems to be a pretty safe one. He left UT with an unknown new coach coming in and an open QB position... for a school that has an established starter. If he were running... why run to THAT?
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1. Oh hey, another strawman. You’re being incredibly disingenuous calling someone dishonest for paraphrasing you and then going back to your old strawman arguments. It’s indicative of how bad your argument is here.


2. The article I posted clearly cited VQ saying Dormady was considering his future at TN and Brice saying he’d been dealing with the shoulder for a while. Of you’re incapable of reading and comprehending that, then that’s on you.


3. Not sure why you’re so caught up on why he transferred. I’m sure there were plenty of reasons. But the timing of it all isn’t arguable.

4. Still no link about how Dormady was told he wouldn’t be able to play if he waited 5 weeks for surgery, huh? 😆



sjt18 said:
AND AGAIN... all this started as some JG fans tried to excuse his immature behavior by claiming that Dormady quit. Even if Dormady DID quit... it in no way, shape, or form excuses the way Guarantano behaved. If he has not matured... then it will be a problem again.
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I’m impressed by this. You managed to shift the goalposts and backpedal at the same time!
 
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BisonVol said:
Butch told both guys they would play in the GT game. Dormady was 8-20 at halftime but Butch still rode with him the whole game. He straight up lied to JG. If Dormady was playing well it would be a different story, but he wasn't up until halftime. Any natural competitor is going to be frustrated in that situation. Could JG have conducted himself better that day? Sure. But don't call out the immature behavior without providing the backstory of what led to it. And besides, that was the only time we saw that type of behavior from him. There is nothing to suggest he hasn't matured and learned since then.
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OK. I don't doubt Jones would do that or that he was a bad coach. But where is the proof for that? And even if he did that doesn't give JG an excuse or justification AT ALL. The team he wanted to lead was locked in a tight game. He should have supported them... not the coach. Don't make excuses without having proof over your "backstory".

There's nothing to suggest he has matured except the hope that every Vol fan should have.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Petty and butthurt. This coming from Captain Strawman argument.



1. Oh hey, another strawman. You’re being incredibly disingenuous calling someone dishonest for paraphrasing you and then going back to your old strawman arguments. It’s indicative of how bad your argument is here.
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You've avoided my argument which is that Dormady did not "quit" the team in a classless way the way it has been suggested. He had surgery then after the season and Jones had been fired announced that he was leaving the program. If you are leaving a program that is the way you are supposed to do it.


2. The article I posted clearly cited VQ saying Dormady was considering his future at TN and Brice saying he’d been dealing with the shoulder for a while. Of you’re incapable of reading and comprehending that, then that’s on you.
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"Considering his future" = bailed on his team... got it. Umm, no.


3. Not sure why you’re so caught up on why he transferred. I’m sure there were plenty of reasons. But the timing of it all isn’t arguable.
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You're right. It isn't. He played through a shoulder injury, chose to have surgery, then left the program AFTER the season. That's the timeline and any motives are conjecture. Claims he "quit" the team are false.

4. Still no link about how Dormady was told he wouldn’t be able to play if he waited 5 weeks for surgery, huh? 😆
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None needed. You are the one claiming he did something wrong. The burden of proof is on you, not me.
 
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Now the thread has turned to a discussion of Dormady, who couldn't be more long gone. This detour illustrates the current state of the QB situation perfectly.
 
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sjt18 said:
You've avoided my argument which is that Dormady did not "quit" the team in a classless way the way it has been suggested. He had surgery then after the season and Jones had been fired announced that he was leaving the program. If you are leaving a program that is the way you are supposed to do it.
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1. Your quotation marks are unnecessary and it’s bad writing.

2. I’ve never claimed he did anything in a classless way. But he did shut down his season and check out earlier than he could have. It’s his body and his future, so I’m not gonna knock him as a person for it. However, I came into this discussion saying that I think QD’s actions, in context, were worse than JG pouting on the sidelines. That was my original premise



"Considering his future" = bailed on his team... got it. Umm, no.
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Strawman #1

“Considering his football future at Tennessee” in the context of a QB who has lost his starting job and is a few months from graduating isn’t hard to understand. Surely you can connect the dots there.

He was looking forward to his next team by mid season. Given the s*** shoe last year, I can’t say I blame him. But whether he did things the right way or not, he was checked out by that point.


You're right. It isn't. He played through a shoulder injury, lost his starting job, then started looking forward to 2018 and chose to have surgery, then left the program AFTER the season. That's the timeline and any motives are conjecture. Claims he "quit" the team are false.
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You left out the bolded part, which is important for context.


None needed. You are the one claiming he did something wrong. The burden of proof is on you, not me.
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Strawman #2.

I’ve argued this with butchna in other threads before. I don’t blame QD for what he did given the situation he was in and I do think he always did things in a classy way. But when you compare his actions to JG’s bad public moment, I think it’s pretty clear Dormady’s was worse for the team.


Also, you don’t seem to understand what burden of proof means. You claimed Dormady was told he needed surgery mid season or wouldn’t be able to play in 2018. The burden of proof for that is on you and you’ve failed to provide anything to back up that claim.
 
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sjt18 said:
OK. I don't doubt Jones would do that or that he was a bad coach. But where is the proof for that? And even if he did that doesn't give JG an excuse or justification AT ALL. The team he wanted to lead was locked in a tight game. He should have supported them... not the coach. Don't make excuses without having proof over your "backstory".

There's nothing to suggest he has matured except the hope that every Vol fan should have.
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It was said in multiple VQ podcasts following the GT game that JG was told he would play in that game. There's my proof.
 
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OnlyGodForgives said:
Now the thread has turned to a discussion of Dormady, who couldn't be more long gone. This detour illustrates the current state of the QB situation perfectly.
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Not really. Dormady is gone. His career is likely over. Last I heard the returning starter at Houston is still the starter. Dormady will finish his education then head off into a life after football.

This whole discussion was because some here used an attack on Dormady as a diversion from the legitimate concerns about Guarantano's maturity. I probably shouldn't have taken the bait but I hate to see someone's name unfairly trashed on scant hearsay and assumptions. There was really no need or call for it... other than to divert attention from a real issue with a current UT player who we really, really need to mature and perform.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not really. Dormady is gone. His career is likely over. Last I heard the returning starter at Houston is still the starter. Dormady will finish his education then head off into a life after football.

This whole discussion was because some here used an attack on Dormady as a diversion from the legitimate concerns about Guarantano's maturity. I probably shouldn't have taken the bait but I hate to see someone's name unfairly trashed on scant hearsay and assumptions. There was really no need or call for it... other than to divert attention from a real issue with a current UT player who we really, really need to mature and perform.
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There aren’t any “ current issues” or “legitimate concerns.” You act like he didn’t stay the back up for several games after GT. He did and all the reports were he was a model teammate. It was just a week one thing. The same from this year. Great leader. Model teammate. He didn’t pout the whol year. He had literally one bad week. Then was a team leader by the end of the year.
 
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