New QB being Installed During Offweek

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Volsfaninva917 said:
There's some chatter out there that HB just isn't any good
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I'm going to "flip" now and defend the kid. I have argued against those who just assume his 5* rating make him a great QB. But too many times folks here have written off talented guys because they didn't come in and dominate as Fr. He very well may have 5* size, arm, intelligence, etc... and still need a year or two before really being ready to compete for the job.

All I'm asking for is the patience to allow him to develop from potentially "isn't any good" to a solid SEC QB.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm going to "flip" now and defend the kid. I have argued against those who just assume his 5* rating make him a great QB. But too many times folks here have written off talented guys because they didn't come in and dominate as Fr. He very well may have 5* size, arm, intelligence, etc... and still need a year or two before really being ready to compete for the job.

All I'm asking for is the patience to allow him to develop from potentially "isn't any good" to a solid SEC QB.
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I'm not saying he's not any good, I'm just saying the chatter is he's not any good. I think the coaches put out a ton of misinformation and this year no one knows any better because they can't see practice. JG will be back and starting again next year so this nightmare wont end any time soon.
 
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1allvol said:
JG isn't the best, we all know that, but aside from Kentucky, he hasn't been awful. The entire team has had issues, the prolific O-line has been average, the D line can't seem to get pressure, the secondary is at times lost, tackling has been atrocious at times...we have no leadership on the team and it shows. I really don't give a rip if it's JG, BM,HB or Shrout, I'm not sure our record right now would be any different than it is. We played 2 1/2 games and looked pretty good, and then UGA ate our soul in the second half and it has been downhill since. Hopefully the 2 weeks off have given them some focus and motivation because if the TEAM doesn't play any better than it has the last 3 games, an inspired Arky will beat us, and aTm, Auburn and Florida, too and we will be looking at trying to get our 3rd win from Vandy. This game is a must win for the coaches, players and fans for confidence and mojo. No matter who the QB is, IMO, they have to open the offense up and be a lot more aggressive.
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Awful... that's relative to the standard you compare him to.

Awful compared to a true Fr or the guys current behind him statistically in the SEC? No. Not necessarily. Awful compared to where a RS Sr with 3 years of starting experience should be? Yes. Awful really doesn't describe it.

It isn't what he "does". It isn't the picks or fumbles or mistakes. That's not what makes him "awful". What makes him bad is his limitations. It is the things he cannot do that limits what the O can do and gives opposing DC's a much easier time defending UT.

He's not going to burn you if you blitz... he just doesn't have the reflexes and accuracy to do it. You really don't have to worry about the deep middle. He has a long history of being late and off target on those throws. That gives DC's something they really don't have to worry about much. If they don't... then safeties can cheat up to support the run and cover the medium and short middle... freeing the LB's up to play run. That's just one example. You saw another with that pick 6 vs UK. He was a half count late. You can argue that the read or play call was bad... but if that ball is thrown on time (assuming he saw the DB's head turn) and on target (to the boundary side) then you have a 5 yard pick up. The story of JG's career is that he does not anticipate throws well, is slow processing reads, and is late/off target on throws.

They throw a lot to the sideline with JG. There's a reason you do that and you see it fairly often with young QB's. They want to simplify the read and throw. Essentially he doesn't have to see or be aware of the whole field. He throws better outside the numbers. But eventually DC's limit those throws and try to force you to the middle... where UT's coaches know they cannot trust JG.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I'm not saying he's not any good, I'm just saying the chatter is he's not any good. I think the coaches put out a ton of misinformation and this year no one knows any better because they can't see practice. JG will be back and starting again next year so this nightmare wont end any time soon.
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I don't think he will start next year. The only chance of that IMO is if spring and fall camps get cancelled again. Hopefully the madness will end by then.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Everybody has on their orange tinted glasses now and since we have had JG so long..mthe worst UT QB ever by record as starter...they ALL seem to have forgotten that while Dobbs was an amazing runner, there were MANY MANY threads in Dobbs time about the fact that he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn sometimes. ..he wasn't nearly as bad as JG passing most of the time, but he was VERY inconsistent. Throw a nice deep ball...then hit a wide open TE 15 yards away in the ankles and 3 yards behind him...or overthrow wide open WR in the endzone...then into the turf next pass.

I love Dobbs and he is a great guy, but there were threads ALL the time about how inconsistent he was as a passer....his fast feet didn't just bail CBJ out....they bailed Dobbs out many times also when it was 3rd and 10 because his errant passes made incompletions on 1st and 2nd down.

Don't believe me? Go read some threads from the Dobbs days. I dont know if he ever threw for 300 yards in a game in his career...ever. was usually 200 or so with 60yds rushing a couple TDs combined. We were NEVER an offensive powerhouse with Dobbs here, but he did manage to put up good numbers over his long career as starter because he took every snap and played decently. Bottom half of the SEC as a passer...always.
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I believe you. I’ve heard it multiple times. “Great runner” “below average passer”. I only bring him up when KTown criticizes Maurer who is a “good” runner and above average passer. So I don’t find it odd that the two of them had very similar stats as a freshman.
 
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1vol8 said:
I believe you. I’ve heard it multiple times. “Great runner” “below average passer”. I only bring him up when KTown criticizes Maurer who is a “good” runner and above average passer. So I don’t find it odd that the two of them had very similar stats as a freshman.
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This is a tough call. I loved Dobbs. Wish he had played for a better coach. But I criticized him consistently for being "wild in the strike zone"... like a pitcher in baseball. Way too many times on completions the location of the pass stopped a receivers momentum or led them into rather than away from tacklers.
 
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sjt18 said:
This is a tough call. I loved Dobbs. Wish he had played for a better coach. But I criticized him consistently for being "wild in the strike zone"... like a pitcher in baseball. Way too many times on completions the location of the pass stopped a receivers momentum or led them into rather than away from tacklers.
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So it sounds like maybe Maurer is a more accurate, less effective runner?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Then JG is better by default.
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No. That makes no sense. Thirty years ago we had no information on processors that make a mobile phone more powerful than early computers... we had tons of information on the technology of wireless home phones.

We do not have the information to declare any of the other 3 good or bad. The only thing we have enough information to do is recognize that JG is too limited to be a consistent, competitive, winning, "good" SEC QB.
 
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1vol8 said:
So it sounds like maybe Maurer is a more accurate, less effective runner?
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I don't know. I'm anxious to see what he can do. I just don't want to jump ahead or compare to a guy like Dobbs. Based on a very limited sample set, I would say that so far Maurer has looked like a more precision passer.

I would prefer that he not run as much as Dobbs. Dobbs was a very, very durable guy. He took some vicious hits and never seemed fazed.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't know. I'm anxious to see what he can do. I just don't want to jump ahead or compare to a guy like Dobbs. Based on a very limited sample set, I would say that so far Maurer has looked like a more precision passer.

I would prefer that he not run as much as Dobbs. Dobbs was a very, very durable guy. He took some vicious hits and never seemed fazed.
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I really do think that last year was just a bad look for him. He’s never been hurt before and that WAS a freak accident that he’ll likely never see again. The hit vs UGA was more of an example of how tough he really is imo. An injury prone qb gets more than the wind knocked out of him on that hit. I’ve seen him take some haymakers but not like that one and he was pleading to get back in once he caught his breath.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't know. I'm anxious to see what he can do. I just don't want to jump ahead or compare to a guy like Dobbs. Based on a very limited sample set, I would say that so far Maurer has looked like a more precision passer.

I would prefer that he not run as much as Dobbs. Dobbs was a very, very durable guy. He took some vicious hits and never seemed fazed.
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Agree with all of this. Dobbs carried 20 or 30 lbs more than Maurer did last year...but more importantly, along with outstanding footspeed and lateral quickness, Dobbs had a great knack that some RBs have for always avoiding that flush thump from defenders.. he would lower his head just enough to not get his bell rung, slide low under defenders that launched, even on the goal line he would slip between 2 would be tacklers...always to avoid the big hit while still gaining yards. I dont think that can really be taught. It can be worked on and improved , but the natural dexterity to make people miss is a God given skill IMO.

To that end, Maurer has good speed and looks to be pretty shifty also. He got jacked up last year, but I agree that those were somewhat freak plays. He definitely has a better arm than Dobbs as far as touch and accuracy, that is fact. With him getting way more snaps over these 2 weeks, if BM can't beat out JG then I don't know what to say...he must make bad decisions or really struggle in practice. Coach needs to play him though regardless, he seems to be a gamer and both the fan base and the locker room seem to believe in BM while being completely done with JG.
 
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1vol8 said:
I really do think that last year was just a bad look for him. He’s never been hurt before and that WAS a freak accident that he’ll likely never see again. The hit vs UGA was more of an example of how tough he really is imo. An injury prone qb gets more than the wind knocked out of him on that hit. I’ve seen him take some haymakers but not like that one and he was pleading to get back in once he caught his breath.
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You'd likely know more than me. The counter argument though is that he's never played against athletes with this much size and speed.

The head injury was a freak fall. Sort of like the accident that killed Earnhardt Sr. It looked "bad" but not that bad. But you hit "just wrong" and you end up with a severe injury.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm going to "flip" now and defend the kid. I have argued against those who just assume his 5* rating make him a great QB. But too many times folks here have written off talented guys because they didn't come in and dominate as Fr. He very well may have 5* size, arm, intelligence, etc... and still need a year or two before really being ready to compete for the job.

All I'm asking for is the patience to allow him to develop from potentially "isn't any good" to a solid SEC QB.
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You get out of here with that logic.

If a player doesn't produce year 1 they are a bust. Every time. There are no cases against it. Pack em up boiis
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Agree with all of this. Dobbs carried 20 or 30 lbs more than Maurer did last year...but more importantly, along with outstanding footspeed and lateral quickness, Dobbs had a great knack that some RBs have for always avoiding that flush thump from defenders.. he would lower his head just enough to not get his bell rung, slide low under defenders that launched, even on the goal line he would slip between 2 would be tacklers...always to avoid the big hit while still gaining yards. I dont think that can really be taught. It can be worked on and improved , but the natural dexterity to make people miss is a God given skill IMO.

To that end, Maurer has good speed and looks to be pretty shifty also. He got jacked up last year, but I agree that those were somewhat freak plays. He definitely has a better arm than Dobbs as far as touch and accuracy, that is fact. With him getting way more snaps over these 2 weeks, if BM can't beat out JG then I don't know what to say...he must make bad decisions or really struggle in practice. Coach needs to play him though regardless, he seems to be a gamer and both the fan base and the locker room seem to believe in BM while being completely done with JG.
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I honestly don't think you can claim BM is better than Dobbs at any facet of the position. His sample size is too small
 
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dcm3w said:
I honestly don't think you can claim BM is better than Dobbs at any facet of the position. His sample size is too small
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Only to the extent you qualify it to that small sample set. Under that limit, I think he has fit some slants into tighter windows than Dobbs did. His throw early in the game to DWA vs MSU was a throw Dobbs didn't make.

Unlike JG, I think the weapons in Dobbs' arsenal tortured opposing DC's. If nothing else... you really can't prepare for a guy who is virtually perfect in not only his ability to run but in his decisions to run and the timing of when he broke the play open. The guy was pretty incredible in that regard. Most of his best plays were after Jones' offense broke down.
 
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Let me sum up something that everyone needs to understand.

Right now, JG is our best chance to win. Pruitt knows that and you should know that. That does NOT mean he WILL win, it only means that the coaching staff knows that if they put in anyone else...the chances of winning go down drastically. The conundrum is even though JG is our best winning option, if we are going to lose then why not play the younger player?

I'm sorry to poop on your parade of Pruitt is playing favorites and doesn't know how to coach. He would play someone else if they were better. He did last year...didn't work out. He tried for a moment this year, same result. Pruitt wants to win so he's going to put in the best player until winning is almost certainly not going to happen. UT football isn't what it was before. Sorry
 
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sjt18 said:
Only to the extent you qualify it to that small sample set. Under that limit, I think he has fit some slants into tighter windows than Dobbs did. His throw early in the game to DWA vs MSU was a throw Dobbs didn't make.

Unlike JG, I think the weapons in Dobbs' arsenal tortured opposing DC's. If nothing else... you really can't prepare for a guy who is virtually perfect in not only his ability to run but in his decisions to run and the timing of when he broke the play open. The guy was pretty incredible in that regard. Most of his best plays were after Jones' offense broke down.
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More than likely he is more accurate than Dobbs, I'm just pointing out to the sample size

I miss that playmaking ability on the ground. Dobbs was very underrated as a runner and I mean that by his overall strength and knack for breaking tackles when it mattered the most.
 
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