NCAA upcoming restrictions

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82_VOL_83 said:
NCAA upholds penalties against UMass programs
UMASS gets punished for literally nothing.
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Agreed. The NCAA is wildly inconsistent.

The UNC case was different. Legally the NCAA can't punish a school for "phantom classes" that are available to everyone, not just athletes. They regulate athletics, not whether classes are too easy or too hard for all students.

The UMass case seems vindictive but it DID involve only athletes. That was my only point about UNC.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The NCAA didn't punish UNC for fake classes because they govern ATHLETICS not ACADEMICS.

They reported UNC to the academic regulators who, I think, already had UNC on some kind of probation.
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If it involves athletes the NCAA definitely gets involved.
 
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TNnative said:
In a word, No. Whatever the investigation turns up will focus upon those who were handing out improper benefits, and not players who received them. Whoever the Hell thinks having a ex-Tennessee on another teams roster will cause a voiding of that teams season is living in a fantasy world. That would likely and very quickly lead to multiple institutions forming another governing body, and leaving the NCAA.
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Not a fantasy world, just a thought. And those schools knew exactly what they were getting in those players,
 
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Orange Raid said:
Ryan and the guys already covered this a while back on the podcast so yeah it is that simple and they can and did get away with it. As long as they don’t pay them to play themselves, they are in the clear.
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Thanks! This whole thing is so muddy and the NCAA doesn't help itself when penalties vary wildly from school to school for basically the same infractions. On the GT thing, the NCAA investigated a player who sold a jersey, then put stiffer penalties in place because the AD told the HBC that the NCAA was investigating them. Apparently the AD wasn't supposed to alert anyone else at the school of what was taking place. All kinds of stupid.
 
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ER Vol said:
If it involves athletes the NCAA definitely gets involved.
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Like Baylor and the rapes, they found the problem was systemic and not just limited to athletics.

The NCAA can't punish a systemic problem. They aren't in the business of saying: we don't like how this institution treats rapes whether it's athletes or regular students, so we're going to punish them.

They also couldn't say to UNC, we don't like the fake classes that are available to all students, but athletes too, so we're going to punish them.

They don't regulate schools, just problems that are specific to athletes.
 
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ER Vol said:
He can't believe Wade is still coach.
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He must be legally retarded if he doesn't understand why he is still a coach.

The NCAA won't turn over information to LSU so unless or until there is a notice of allegation with actually proof of some type.... LSU can't just terminate contracts.

Of course, they're into year 5 on this and only last month interviewed Will Wade. And they would have to ignore the elephant in the room i.e. anti-trust violation in restricting trade. I have no idea Will Wade would handle if something did come down, but he would have standing and the ability to seek damages under the Sherman Act against the NCAA imo. In light of Alston, I actually think he could get preliminary injunctions.

Will Wade is either clean or he's got the biggest balls of anyone every stepping on a court... he don't give two ****s.

We'll see. All of this is going to end terribly for the NCAA... meaning their business.
 
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Raebo said:
if we get hammered it will be for "lack of institutional control". Those responsible for the lack of control are gone so I don't know.
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Lack of control in a Covid year no way. And all the people involved were outed by the school and the university notified the NCAA. That seems far from lack of control seems like they acted fast even before the NCAA was aware and notified the NCAA. The don’t sound like lack of control to me. It sounds like instead of covering up Tennessee acted responsibly and took action. GBO!
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He must be legally retarded if he doesn't understand why he is still a coach.

The NCAA won't turn over information to LSU so unless or until there is a notice of allegation with actually proof of some type.... LSU can't just terminate contracts.

Of course, they're into year 5 on this and only last month interviewed Will Wade. And they would have to ignore the elephant in the room i.e. anti-trust violation in restricting trade. I have no idea Will Wade would handle if something did come down, but he would have standing and the ability to seek damages under the Sherman Act against the NCAA imo. In light of Alston, I actually think he could get preliminary injunctions.

Will Wade is either clean or he's got the biggest balls of anyone every stepping on a court... he don't give two ****s.

We'll see. All of this is going to end terribly for the NCAA... meaning their business.
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Well, he's not clean as evidenced by his stating they made a strong azz offer...
 
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Isn't the NCAA just going to outright go away eventually? I hesitate to even mention this because, I mean, well it'll be obvious why, but what the heck. Let's go there. It's true.

Who’s saying that college students can’t make money for playing sports because they’re amateur student athletes playing at amateur sport? The NCAA.
Where does the NCAA make literally all its money? College basketball.
What’s the one D1 men’s sport played by an outright majority of black students? Basketball.
What D1 men’s sport is played by the lowest percentage of white students? Basketball.
What does the NCAA do with that basketball money after they’re done paying their own salaries? They give out scholarships.
How many of those scholarship sports are played by a majority of white students? Most of ‘em.

So basically the NCAA says students can’t make money on college sport while making money on college sport hand over foot, like to the tune of a billion a year or thereabouts. They take that money, which was wealth generated off the one and only majority black sport in collegiate athletics, and turn it into… I mean, connect the dots. How the NCAA isn’t in the crosshairs for systemic racism when so much else is right now, is seriously beyond me. If I was the NCAA I’d just want to stay the hell out of the press as much as possible.
 
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ER Vol said:
Not a fantasy world, just a thought. And those schools knew exactly what they were getting in those players,
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So what if they did? The NCAA is worried about people involved with a long term impact connected to the program in question. Meaning donors and administrators and the institutions. At the school they have proof on, not the players. Just because you think they ought to be punished doesn't mean they will be punished. And since you are arguing so much for it, your thoughts actually are fantasy world. Because quite honestly< The NCAA has never been that industrious.
 
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njvols said:
You could argue that we could get “time served” and no loss of scholarships because we lost half our team in the transfer portal
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I am sure that will be part of the argument. Tennessee lost a lot of its best players and played the 2021 season with 71 players on scholarship, along with firing the coach and pushing out the AD who hired the coach.

I hope they slap a show-cause order on Pruitt's ass just because, but I'm hopeful that UT will avoid major sanctions because strong action was taken when the misconduct came to light.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He must be legally retarded if he doesn't understand why he is still a coach.

The NCAA won't turn over information to LSU so unless or until there is a notice of allegation with actually proof of some type.... LSU can't just terminate contracts.

Of course, they're into year 5 on this and only last month interviewed Will Wade. And they would have to ignore the elephant in the room i.e. anti-trust violation in restricting trade. I have no idea Will Wade would handle if something did come down, but he would have standing and the ability to seek damages under the Sherman Act against the NCAA imo. In light of Alston, I actually think he could get preliminary injunctions.

Will Wade is either clean or he's got the biggest balls of anyone every stepping on a court... he don't give two ****s.

We'll see. All of this is going to end terribly for the NCAA... meaning their business.
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Pretty sure he is not "legally retarded" as he is an MD and also has a PhD in Genetics. He just thinks that Wade is a scumbag.
 
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majinVol said:
NCAA doesn't have any power
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And at the pace they work, the entire organization might be dead and gone before UTs case comes up for a ruling. Hell, in a few more years, we likely won't recognize "college" sports.
 
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onevol74 said:
Do those institutions not have a responsibility to monitor the athletes they allow into their program? Ignorance on their part is no excuse. It is not like UT was squashing the information surrounding the investigation. The NCAA has been involved from the start and is totally aware of what is going on and who is involved. If they had the info and allowed these kids to violate the rules and then play for other teams then they have violated their own rules.
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THIS ^
I think everyone in the SEC upper crust knew what was and what happened. I would think Alabama (remember how long of vetting etc.. before they accepted TOTO ) and that was really his first choice. Think Saban et al. asked the NCAA and they finally gave him the go-ahead. The NCAA is losing its power there may be a few scholarships taken away from UT but giving money to athletes is legal now. It's like A&M HC Jimbo said you just have to act like you're trying to go by NIL rules. He said that straight to Paul Finebaum on National TV, There are tens of thousands of NIL's out there so there really is no vetting that could possibly be monitored thoroughly by NCAA. It will be a self-report, HaHa. The NCAA is about to finally go away and a Super Conference of roughly 65 P5 teams will start their own governing organization.
 
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ER Vol said:
Pretty sure he is not "legally retarded" as he is an MD and also has a PhD in Genetics. He just thinks that Wade is a scumbag.
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Just because he has degrees doesn't mean he isn't legally retarded.

The reason Wade is still the coach is there hasn't been anything presented or admitted, its not complex. Until the day something is admitted or presented there isn't anything LSU can do as they have no information. Now that day might come, or it might not come. But even if that day does come, Will Wade has legal recourse against LSU and the NCAA.

The end game is a zero sum game at this point for the NCAA. Its kicking the can but there isn't really too many places left to kick the can.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
Lack of control in a Covid year no way. And all the people involved were outed by the school and the university notified the NCAA. That seems far from lack of control seems like they acted fast even before the NCAA was aware and notified the NCAA. The don’t sound like lack of control to me. It sounds like instead of covering up Tennessee acted responsibly and took action. GBO!
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I honestly think they’re perplexed as to what the hell to do with us. Have they ever had a major program turn themselves in for multiple major violations and can everyone in football basically in the process?
 
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DaddyChad said:
I honestly think they’re perplexed as to what the hell to do with us. Have they ever had a major program turn themselves in for multiple major violations and can everyone in football basically in the process?
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I would say that goes for most schools at this point. This is why the commissioner spoke of trust being an issue i.e. schools won't self-impose and fight the NCAA. Basically, the NCAA is taking low hanging fruit and schools are agreeing to basically nothing.

Tennessee is in a strange position in that they fired a coach for cause which is based on the premise all of this is okay to enforce.

I would say the system is unsustainable but I think that is too kind - it simply doesn't really exist unless the school pretends it does i.e. self-impose penalties.

Anytime the NCAA takes action against schools, players or coaches... they risk not only being sued for damages and injunction relief, but they are rolling the dice they won't individually be indicted by a Grand Jury. Prison is a bitch.
 
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