NCAA Addressing Fake Injuries

[Tman44]

If your starting QB gets the wind knocked out of him, legit, you want him back in the game asap. The fainting goats are total B.S. but I think the best you can hope for is that the officiating crew "impress" upon the offenders their disdain of the practice. Holding, ticky tacky penalties on the D could be called on any play. Do I think that will happen? No. Some things just make too much sense. It seems NCAA types have an allergy to common sense.

 

[VolPack22]

If they can make flopping a call in the NBA and college basketball then they surely can do something about faking injuries. They should be able to look at replay of an injury in question and you will know for certain whenever someone is faking. They stand with their hands on their hips and then, BOOM, they got shot by a sniper somehow and writhing in pain.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Nothing will happen. Player safety, even when the injury is faked, is a trump card. Those in charge can't risk being wrong. It's complicated.

Just make the player sit out that entire series. That would help deincentivize players from faking injuries and wouldn't jeopardize player safety. And make the rule only applicable to defensive players, as there's no incentive for offensive players to fake injury.

 

[PDawg30577]

Just make the player sit out that entire series. That would help deincentivize players from faking injuries and wouldn't jeopardize player safety. And make the rule only applicable to defensive players, as there's no incentive for offensive players to fake injury.

Wait. What? There's never an incentive for offensive players to fake injury?

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Wait. What? There's never an incentive for offensive players to fake injury?

Ok so only make the rule applicable to offenses the last 2 minutes of the first half and the last 2 minutes of the 2nd half. Otherwise why would the offense want to fake injuries and stop the clock? The only scenario I can think of is if you're out of timeouts and you're driving to win or tie the game. This rule change would solve that.

 

[Zues1]

Some of you are stating " sit out the series"
What if the fake is on third down, sit out the fourth down?
So many players are situational players, running down, passing down etc.
This whole thing is a touchy subject. How about the conference call these jackwards out in their annual meetings.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Some of you are stating " sit out the series"
What if the fake is on third down, sit out the fourth down?
So many players are situational players, running down, passing down etc.
This whole thing is a touchy subject. How about the conference call these jackwards out in their annual meetings.

Why would you fake an injury on a failed 3rd down attempt when the offense is likely to punt the ball on 4th down anyway? If the offense is going for it, well then your defense is losing a key player on a crucial down and if the offense converts, that player isn't available for the remainder of that series.

 

[PDawg30577]

Ok so only make the rule applicable to offenses the last 2 minutes of the first half and the last 2 minutes of the 2nd half. Otherwise why would the offense want to fake injuries and stop the clock? The only scenario I can think of is if you're out of timeouts and you're driving to win or tie the game. This rule change would solve that.

That out-of-timeouts-trying-to-win-or-tie-the-game is kind of a big one, ain't it? And that's only a concern in the last 120 seconds of play?

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Your solution is half right. But apply it to everybody the same.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I'm not trying to be argumentative. Your solution is half right. But apply it to everybody the same.

But why when it's not applicable to everybody the same. No coach in their right mind is going to willingly sacrifice one of their offensive starters for an entire series by having them fake an injury unless he has to stop the clock in the last 2 minutes of the 1st or 2nd half of the game, which is where it would make sense to apply the rule for offenses.

 

[PDawg30577]

Some of you are stating " sit out the series"
What if the fake is on third down, sit out the fourth down?
So many players are situational players, running down, passing down etc.
This whole thing is a touchy subject. How about the conference call these jackwards out in their annual meetings.

It wouldn't be the first "Well, them's the breaks, sorry!" rule in college football, would it? Would the overall benefit of the rule not outweigh those marginal times when it could be construed as unjust?

 

[PDawg30577]

It wouldn't be the first "Well, them's the breaks, sorry!" rule in college football, would it? Would the overall benefit of the rule not outweigh those marginal times when it could be construed as unjust?

(Meant for the reply to Zues1 to apply to this post. Apologies to you both for the confusion.)

 

[strkr]

the actual statement should have said "Nick won't let us do anything, so we're REALLY going to study this thing for another year...but FEEL free to allege fake injuries to league offices, and league will follow that with very politically correct statement on Monday saying nothing". Comical that they "looked at all potential options"..."group think" echo chamber at it's finest. NCAA could post a thread on VN for ideas, and there'd be some pretty good ones posted in minutes.

According to a report from 247 Sports’ Robbie Weinstein, “the NCAA announced on Friday that it will not add rules for the 2022 season that would give game officials the ability to penalize teams that it deems to be faking injuries during games. Although the NCAA will allow programs to report alleged fake injuries, it did not mention any specific penalty or sanction that could be imposed.”

Yea it is all about legend Nick. Right now he is just worried about the NIL deal and portal. I really don't know why because he guys are the best paid around - his his

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Yea it is all about legend Nick. Right now he is just worried about the NIL deal and portal. I really don't know why because he guys are the best paid around - his his

I'll be so glad when he's gone. Aside from his dominance, honestly, I'm just sick and tired of looking at him! I felt that way about Fulmer at the end. Besides the losses, I was just tired of seeing his fat ass on our sidelines watching him clap after failed play after failed play!

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Add to some of the good ideas: Rule: You can't sub on injury stop of clock.

Only the injured player I think, unless the offense subs then the defense can react per current rules. There is still some advantage for the defense in some situations getting your players a blow when the snaps have been purposely close together by the offense, but this is a no brainer if nothing else is done. I think during an injury timeout all players on both sides should be required to stay within the hash marks away from the injured player and no coaches or messengers can meet them. Not sure if you allow water bottles and training staff.

The goal should be to keep the game situation as close to pre injury status. Maybe call it an injury game stop instead of a timeout, unless the team is charged with one. But overall I don't think trying to keep the player out is big deal when a lot of the time a fresh body or changing defensive mix may have been the objective anyway. I guess you could require the teams medical staff to take possession of the helmet for X minutes rather than having anyone keep up with plays, i.e. does a penalty play count? Do offensive plays satisfy the number of plays or clock time for a defensive player. How about special teams plays? Too many variables on using plays as the controlling factor.

Can the team with the injury really argue the player safety would require a more detailed account of the medical staff providing clearance to return? Maybe it is not just a cramp. Might have to add a log and a place to hang helmets to that little medical tent they have on the sidelines with clock time when the player left the field and when his helmet was returned to him. and maybe can only be done during a dead ball. I think this is the cleanest way to deal with it and not place any further burden on the officials during time critical parts of the game. Any violations and the head coach gets the bump the umpire treatment for future games. Bet that will improve diligence.in log keeping. Replay would make it easy to find.

 

[VolPack22]

They also need to look at implementing a substitution limit. You can only substitute X amount of times throughout the game during active drives. I’m not sure what that number would be but it needs to be looked at.

 

[beachvol23]

Why ‘aa CAN’T and WON’T update this immediately reels you all you need to know about their incompetence! Time to get out of it SEC.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The UT needs to take advantage of Vol-hate. Referees, ESPN, SEC officials, and the like demonstrate their anti-Vols bias pretty often. So to stop the flop, our team should use the flop consistently and often. Then to prevent the UT from getting away with this, they will establish rules about it.

 

[Zues1]

Why would you fake an injury on a failed 3rd down attempt when the offense is likely to punt the ball on 4th down anyway? If the offense is going for it, well then your defense is losing a key player on a crucial down and if the offense converts, that player isn't available for the remainder of that series.

High speed offense that's going for it on 4th down.
I understand the whole " we gotta do something" but it's a slippery slope.
How do you determine someone is faking an injury without stopping play to make that decision? Who's going make that decision, the opponents trainers?
More medical staff etc....
Guess we'll see where this goes but I just don't see penalties coming during game time for something thats hard to determine.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

High speed offense that's going for it on 4th down.
I understand the whole " we gotta do something" but it's a slippery slope.
How do you determine someone is faking an injury without stopping play to make that decision? Who's going make that decision, the opponents trainers?
More medical staff etc....
Guess we'll see where this goes but I just don't see penalties coming during game time for something thats hard to determine.

You dont. If you go down, you sit out the rest of the series. Period. There's nothing to debate or determine. Whether its fake or not is irrelevant. That eliminates the guess work. I dont see the "slippery slope" you're suggesting here at all. Its pretty cut and dry.

 

[tennrich1]

Something will get done when the cash cow tv broadcast demands it because it extends game time. The Ole Miss game drug on forever even without the stop in play for throwing debris on the field.

 

[OffTackleVol]

Nothing will happen. Player safety, even when the injury is faked, is a trump card. Those in charge can't risk being wrong. It's complicated.

If what you say is accurate and correct, then why not simply "not allow that player back into the game until there's a change of possession?"

 

[VFL-82-JP]

If what you say is accurate and correct, then why not simply "not allow that player back into the game until there's a change of possession?"

I can tell you what the Lane Kiffins of the world are arguing in that regard.

They're arguing that forcing a kid to sit out more than one play will cause players to stay in the game even while injured. So they don't have to lose significant playing time. They'll hide their injuries as best they can from the refs and coaches, and play on. Which will dramatically increase the chance of the injury being made much worse.

That's their counter-argument. I'm not supporting it, I'm just telling you what it is.

And honestly, it has some validity. May be a weaker argument than the one in favor of pulling the kid out for a possession (or a set of downs, or a quarter, or whatever your preference), but it is not entirely fanciful.

Think of Cooper Mays trying to keep himself in the game last season when he was clearly injured already.

Again, just telling you what the counter-argument is. We need to understand both sides if we want to discuss it intelligently.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

I can tell you what the Lane Kiffins of the world are arguing in that regard.

They're arguing that forcing a kid to sit out more than one play will cause players to stay in the game even while injured. So they don't have to lose significant playing time. They'll hide their injuries as best they can from the refs and coaches, and play on. Which will dramatically increase the chance of the injury being made much worse.

That's their counter-argument. I'm not supporting it, I'm just telling you what it is.

And honestly, it has some validity. May be a weaker argument than the one in favor of pulling the kid out for a series (or a set of downs, or a quarter, or whatever your preference), but it is not entirely fanciful.

Think of Cooper Mays trying to keep himself in the game last season when he was clearly injured already.

Again, just telling you what the counter-argument is. We need to understand both sides if we want to discuss it intelligently.

Lmao with VERY rare exception (Cooper Mays), I just dont believe that players are that tough anymore to do that. This isnt the 1970's anymore when Jack Youngblood played the Superbowl with a broken leg. Kids today absolutely take themselves out when they get hurt.

 

[savannahfan]

For the first time the NCAA is grappling with this issue, much I am sure, to to the interest of our fan base especially after Kiffin's ploys and dishonesty in the Ole Miss game.

Injury timeouts will be examined closely with an eye to determining the natur of that injury. Penalties will be the responsibility of the team's conference.

Things seem a bit unclear but this surely is a step on the right direction.

At least this crap, perpetuatied by the likes of Kiffin, will be stopped.

We need to let up in Kif. He is only one of almost every team using this ploy. (I have seen our players start limping off the field and the staff frantically motioning get down). As I recall a season or two ago we almost lost our collective minds watching App St. time and time again "flop" after sometimes 2 out of 3 plays. No, Kif was not the first to use this ploy, just the one that stings us the most. Just imagine what hell would still be continually raised if we had not so miraculously pulled out the win over App St.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Lmao with VERY rare exception (Cooper Mays), I just dont believe that players are that tough anymore to do that. This isnt the 1970's anymore when Jack Youngblood played the Superbowl with a broken leg. Kids today absolutely take themselves out when they get hurt.

I think you underestimate the lads. I think a lot of them play while injured. They come into the game injured, they get even more banged up during the game, and they leave it black and blue. And keep playing.

Maybe not broken bones so often, though we've seen that happen recently too (didn't Kyler Kerbyson play most of a season with broken bones?). But pulled ligaments, bruised tendons, and so on? I think young men are playing football through those types of injuries all the time.