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per 48

Average center -
13.5 reb. 2.2 blocks, 2.7 TOs, 5.1 fouls, and a TS% of .546

Jordan -
18.7 reb. 3.3 blocks, 1.9 TOs, 4.4 fouls, and a TS% of .629

Drummond -
19.1 reb. 2.7 blocks, 1.9 TOs, 5.0 fouls, and a TS% of .597
 
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n_huffhines said:
Just different philosophies. The paint is the most important part of real estate on the floor, and Drummond and Jordan have dominated the paint on both ends of the court this year.
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The most valuable center in the league would have to be Hibbert. He's the reason Miami struggles against Indiana. If they beat Miami because of Hibbert, there's no way another big can be more valuable than that.
 
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Yeah, you just look at MVP differently than I do. With Hibbert, Indiana and Miami is a close call. IMO, if you swapped Drummond for Hibbert, Miami would have no chance.

Hibbert's not having a very good year, btw. Below average in rebounding, fouls, turnovers, and TS%.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Too bad they don't play 48 minutes. If they did, their numbers would suffer
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It seems people don't understand the point of this metric at all, based on the comments.

It's not projecting what they would do in 48 minutes, it's giving you a per minute measure of productivity so you can compare all players. The ppg, rpg, bpg etc. of the average center has no meaning in comparing players because they all play a different number of minutes.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Playing shorter minutes means you can go harder. It has a dramatic effect on per 48 stats
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That's your assumption. The data says otherwise. If we're talking about a guy who gets 5 mpg, then yeah his per 48 minute productivity is unreliable in comparison, but if you compare a guy who plays 20 mpg to a guy who plays 30 mpg, the per 48 minutes hold true.
 
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I was just thinking to myself that we hadn't seen enough of the last place Lakers this season.
 
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Drummond is not the defender that Hibbert is. He's good, but he isn't Hibbert.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He's probably a better shot blocker, but I disagree that he is the better defender.
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I've watched 75% of Drummond's games this season. I've seen 25% of Hibbert's. I'm the biggest Drummond fan there is. He's not a better defender. He can't guard a PNR on a consistent, he still get lost, and he struggles against quicker post players that can face up. Not only that, Hibbert also a lower field goal percentage than Drummond against shots at the rim.
 
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What about Drummond's dominance on the defensive glass? Hibbert isn't even close. Drummond gets 3 times as many steals, indicating he is quicker than Hibbert.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What about Drummond's dominance on the defensive glass? Hibbert isn't even close. Drummond gets 3 times as many steals, indicating he is quicker than Hibbert.
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The fact that Hibbert is surrounded almost completely by quality players and Drummond is largely surrounded by scrubs has to play SOME factor in the rebounding totals.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
The fact that Hibbert is surrounded almost completely by quality players and Drummond is largely surrounded by scrubs has to play SOME factor in the rebounding totals.
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Sure, but it doesn't explain why Hibbert is below average and Drummond is tops in the league. I don't care who is around you, the only real explanation as to why one might be below average in rebounding statistics is that they aren't that good at rebounding.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What about Drummond's dominance on the defensive glass? Hibbert isn't even close. Drummond gets 3 times as many steals, indicating he is quicker than Hibbert.
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We are talking about rebounding, not defense. Of course you think it's the same thing even when if isn't but of course but whatever. Drummond is the superior rebounder but while those steals are nice, his gambles cost his team also. If they had a failed gamble stat, he would lead the league at C.
 
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BTW, overall I would rather have Drummond over Hibbert.

But Hibbert is better defensively. The gap isn't that large and it won't be long before my boy The Big Penguin takes that mantle of best big men in the league .
 
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zjcvols said:
We are talking about rebounding, not defense. Of course you think it's the same thing even when if isn't but of course but whatever. Drummond is the superior rebounder but while those steals are nice, his gambles cost his team also. If they had a failed gamble stat, he would lead the league at C.
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Drummond has more steals and fewer fouls, so how do you know that Hibbert doesn't take worse gambles.

The problem is that I don't think offense is limited to scoring and defense is limited to on the ball D. Whatever contributions Drummond makes on the defensive end is what should be factored when we discuss defense.

Rebounding is part of defense. It's a huge part. Drummond's superiority in denying second chance opportunities is what sets him apart from HIbbert.
 
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zjcvols said:
BTW, overall I would rather have Drummond over Hibbert.

But Hibbert is better defensively. The gap isn't that large and it won't be long before my boy The Big Penguin takes that mantle of best big men in the league .
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Drummond will never be the "best" big man. He'll be a very good player
 
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Drummond scores more points on fewer shots than Hibbert. And he gets twice as many offensive rebounds. It's no contest on the offensive side of the floor.
 
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