'20 MS ATH Jimmy Holiday (UT SIGNEE)

[De La Cloobs]

Doesn’t your first sentence pretty much cancel out the rest of your post?

I know what a good quarterback looks like even if I haven’t been one. He is rated high because the way he moves and definitely not for the way he throws. Take away his mobility and he isn’t rated anywhere near what he is. Meanwhile, HB isn’t touted for his mobility and had a much higher QB rating because he has the tools that a QB needs that Jimmy just doesn’t. It’s actually obvious and the people/coaches making these decisions seem to agree.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

If he can pass at least adequately, he would be an improvement over our current Qb’s.

Like for JG. The others-TBD.

 

[Evergrenevol]

I know what a good quarterback looks like even if I haven’t been one. He is rated high because the way he moves and definitely not for the way he throws. Take away his mobility and he isn’t rated anywhere near what he is. Meanwhile, HB isn’t touted for his mobility and had a much higher QB rating because he has the tools that a QB needs that Jimmy just doesn’t. It’s actually obvious and the people/coaches making these decisions seem to agree.

Note: Everyone in the world is migrating to an RPO offense. Chaney and crew want to have that option available to us.

HB is an excellent leader and passer when given time.

Holiday will be given the opportunity to be our RPO specialist. He‘s a leader and an amazing athlete that has proven to be exceptional. He will only get better. See Stats below:

Jimmy Holiday's High School Football Stats

 

[Sleegro]

Note: Everyone in the world is migrating to an RPO offense. Chaney and crew want to have that option available to us.

HB is an excellent leader and passer when given time.

Holiday will be our RPO specialist. He is a leader and an amazing athlete that has proven to be exceptional. He will only get better. See Stats below:

Jimmy Holiday's High School Football Stats

I'm a big fan of holidays potential at qb, but it's a huge misconception that the r in rpo means qb run. More often than not it's an option to hand off to the rb or pass based on what a designated defender does after the snap. Rpo works just as well for pro style QBs as dual threats. Rpo with a guy like holiday would look more like the triple option with slightly more passing until he develops his throwing mechanics more. I don't disagree with yer point necessarily but I bet all of our QBs will be running a lot more rpo this year. Holiday would just add a different element than the rest. Which the first option would be for him to run unless the defense collapsed towards his gap. At which point he could pass to the route targeting the vacated area left by the defender they play is keyed on.

 

[Atlvol313]

His HS highlights show that he can be very dangerous as a runner. Usually the best athlete in a program ends up at QB. He will get a chance but he will be using his running ability more than his arm in college.

 

[Evergrenevol]

I'm a big fan of holidays potential at qb, but it's a huge misconception that the r in rpo means qb run. More often than not it's an option to hand off to the rb or pass based on what a designated defender does after the snap. Rpo works just as well for pro style QBs as dual threats. Rpo with a guy like holiday would look more like the triple option with slightly more passing until he develops his throwing mechanics more. I don't disagree with yer point necessarily but I bet all of our QBs will be running a lot more rpo this year. Holiday would just add a different element than the rest. Which the first option would be for him to run unless the defense collapsed towards his gap. At which point he could pass to the route targeting the vacated area left by the defender they play is keyed on.

Just curious, have you done a lot of research on those who have a huge misconception on what RPOs are? I’m sure there are folks who have no clue what it is, but there are also many who do. Do you think that JG, HB or Shrout will be good RPO QBs? How many RPOs did JG or Shrout attempt to execute last year? Why do you think they weren’t asked to run an RPO set? Maurer did have some RPO sets and did ok. I do know that Chaney wants more dynamic options in our offense. We went after the RPO quarterback that Chaney really wanted, but he stayed close to home. Holiday brings interesting possibilities at QB or other positions. I think the good news is that we will have some good QB options available to us this year.

 

[Sleegro]

Just curious, have you done a lot of research on those who have a huge misconception on what RPOs are? I’m sure there are folks who have no clue what it is, but there are also many who do. Do you think that JG, HB or Shrout will be good RPO QBs? How many RPOs did JG or Shrout attempt to execute last year? Why do you think they weren’t asked to run an RPO set? I do know that Chaney wants more dynamic options in our offense. We went after the RPO quarterback Chaney wanted, but he stayed home. Holiday brings interesting possibilities at QB or other positions. I think the good news is that we will have some good QB options available to us this year.

It seems you fall in the no clue category. Yes I think all those QBs could be good rpo QBs. And I think whoever plays qb for us this year, jg, hb, Maurer, shrout or holiday, will likely be using a lot of rpo.

 

[butchna]

Just curious, have you done a lot of research on those who have a huge misconception on what RPOs are? I’m sure there are folks who have no clue what it is, but there are also many who do. Do you think that JG, HB or Shrout will be good RPO QBs? How many RPOs did JG or Shrout attempt to execute last year? Why do you think they weren’t asked to run an RPO set? Maurer did have some RPO sets and did ok. I do know that Chaney wants more dynamic options in our offense. We went after the RPO quarterback Chaney wanted, but he stayed at home. Holiday brings interesting possibilities at QB or other positions. I think the good news is that we will have some good QB options available to us this year.

It seems you fall in the no clue category. Yes I think all those QBs could be good rpo QBs. And I think whoever plays qb for us this year, jg, hb, Maurer, shrout or holiday, will likely be using a lot of rpo.

Nick Foles ran the RPO to a Super Bowl win...no threat with his legs. Key component of that offense is reading the defense and making decisions accordingly. Haynes King didn’t set any records either way this season. Holiday may or may not be an improvement as a passing option from Jauan Jennings in some 3rd down sets. As of now we’re running Chaney’s offense which isn’t RPO based but is adjustable to include different elements. Osovet might have a big influence in that. FWIW the QB’s he utilized in innovating that offense were pro style.

 

[Sleegro]

Nick Foles ran the RPO to a Super Bowl win...no threat with his legs. Key component of that offense is reading the defense and making decisions accordingly. Haynes King didn’t set any records either way this season. Holiday may or may not be an improvement as a passing option from Jauan Jennings in some 3rd down sets. As of now we’re running Chaney’s offense which isn’t RPO based but is adjustable to include different elements. Osovet might have a big influence in that. FWIW the QB’s he utilized in innovating that offense were pro style.

Big ben also used a lot of rpo in 2018 with a lot of success. And even less threat of running himself. It's like the old read option but designed for a pro style qb. Osevet and long will help Cheney evolve his offense to incorporate it.

 

[butchna]

Big ben also used a lot of rpo in 2018 with a lot of success. And even less threat of running himself. It's like the old read option but designed for a pro style qb. Osevet and long will help Cheney evolve his offense to incorporate it.

Read where Anthony Lynn, Chargers HC, as part of his justification for jettisoning Phillip Rivers, stated that NFL QB’s HAVE to be able to make plays with their legs to excel in the game today. So narrow sighted and copycat in thinking. Remember Steve Young “reporting” the same almost 20 years ago (kinda self serving on his part). I’m sure Lynn’s opinion is based on being on viewing Lamar Jackson through green lenses, but long term success from a starting NFL QB is being able to break down the various defenses thrown at you every season and ADJUST to the ADJUSTMENTS that opposing DC’s formulate by watching your tendencies. Having wheels is a nice bonus and does open up your offense and present options, but there’s a reason that run oriented QB’s haven’t delivered Super Bowls. Mahomes is a gifted passer first and foremost...the ability to pop a 40+ yard run on you is secondary. Aaron Rodgers can break a 20 yard run when nothing’s available, but when he’s dinged up he’s no less deadly. Both Vick and Kaepernick ALMOST got it done, but as soon as the opposing DC’s limited their running by spying and other techniques, they couldn’t make them pay with their arms and fell short. The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

It seems you fall in the no clue category. Yes I think all those QBs could be good rpo QBs. And I think whoever plays qb for us this year, jg, hb, Maurer, shrout or holiday, will likely be using a lot of rpo.

I do not see JG as having the talent to run an RPO or any other type of offense. JMO. The others, I don’t know yet.

 

[volunteerfan]

I don’t think Lynn wants a pure running qb, he just needs his qb to be mobile enough to extend a play and escape the pass rush. With Brady and Brees over the hill, the best qbs in the league right now are all mobile. mahomes, Russell Wilson, Watson, Rogers. The 49ers defense was legendary this year and the only games they lost to all had mobile qbs.

 

[Sleegro]

I do not see JG as having the talent to run an RPO or any other type of offense. JMO. The others, I don’t know yet.

Cool

 

[VolsSince78]

Read where Anthony Lynn, Chargers HC, as part of his justification for jettisoning Phillip Rivers, stated that NFL QB’s HAVE to be able to make plays with their legs to excel in the game today. So narrow sighted and copycat in thinking. Remember Steve Young “reporting” the same almost 20 years ago (kinda self serving on his part). I’m sure Lynn’s opinion is based on being on viewing Lamar Jackson through green lenses, but long term success from a starting NFL QB is being able to break down the various defenses thrown at you every season and ADJUST to the ADJUSTMENTS that opposing DC’s formulate by watching your tendencies. Having wheels is a nice bonus and does open up your offense and present options, but there’s a reason that run oriented QB’s haven’t delivered Super Bowls. Mahomes is a gifted passer first and foremost...the ability to pop a 40+ yard run on you is secondary. Aaron Rodgers can break a 20 yard run when nothing’s available, but when he’s dinged up he’s no less deadly. Both Vick and Kaepernick ALMOST got it done, but as soon as the opposing DC’s limited their running by spying and other techniques, they couldn’t make them pay with their arms and fell short. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Damn, butchna. You're pretty smart... Who knew?.

 

[butchna]

Damn, butchna. You're pretty smart... Who knew?.

Not my wife.

 

[LouderVol]

Just curious, have you done a lot of research on those who have a huge misconception on what RPOs are? I’m sure there are folks who have no clue what it is, but there are also many who do. Do you think that JG, HB or Shrout will be good RPO QBs? How many RPOs did JG or Shrout attempt to execute last year? Why do you think they weren’t asked to run an RPO set? Maurer did have some RPO sets and did ok. I do know that Chaney wants more dynamic options in our offense. We went after the RPO quarterback that Chaney really wanted, but he stayed close to home. Holiday brings interesting possibilities at QB or other positions. I think the good news is that we will have some good QB options available to us this year.

Trevor Lawrence and Burrow were great at the RPO and I would say Bailey fits their mold better than Holiday does.

You dont have to be a sprinter to be good or even great at it.

 

[bignewt]

Read where Anthony Lynn, Chargers HC, as part of his justification for jettisoning Phillip Rivers, stated that NFL QB’s HAVE to be able to make plays with their legs to excel in the game today. So narrow sighted and copycat in thinking. Remember Steve Young “reporting” the same almost 20 years ago (kinda self serving on his part). I’m sure Lynn’s opinion is based on being on viewing Lamar Jackson through green lenses, but long term success from a starting NFL QB is being able to break down the various defenses thrown at you every season and ADJUST to the ADJUSTMENTS that opposing DC’s formulate by watching your tendencies. Having wheels is a nice bonus and does open up your offense and present options, but there’s a reason that run oriented QB’s haven’t delivered Super Bowls. Mahomes is a gifted passer first and foremost...the ability to pop a 40+ yard run on you is secondary. Aaron Rodgers can break a 20 yard run when nothing’s available, but when he’s dinged up he’s no less deadly. Both Vick and Kaepernick ALMOST got it done, but as soon as the opposing DC’s limited their running by spying and other techniques, they couldn’t make them pay with their arms and fell short. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Did you watch Lynn run his offense in Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor? I'd say he is saying that because that offense was straight deadly and he simply doesn't like running an O with a qb with dead legs a la Rivers.

 

[butchna]

Did you watch Lynn run his offense in Buffalo with Tyrod Taylor? I'd say he is saying that because that offense was straight deadly and he simply doesn't like running an O with a qb with dead legs a la Rivers.

He has a preference and cites it as fact. He’d do well on here.

 

[bignewt]

He has a preference and cites it as fact. He’d do well on here.

I'd say he is like any normal coach, he has his preference and believes that is the best way. I think you know that feeling.

 

[butchna]

I'd say he is like any normal coach, he has his preference and believes that is the best way. I think you know that feeling.

Not every normal coach blabs about it in an interview like it’s canon. If I was qualified to be a coach I’d take the opposite route.

 

[bignewt]

Not every normal coach blabs about in an interview like it’s canon. If I was qualified to be a coach I’d take the opposite route.

Guess he disagrees and one of you is an NFL coach.

 

[Devo182]

Is there such a thing as a combined zone read rpo? A run run pass option? Call it what you want, it would be a mixture of an rpo and a zone read option. Hand off, run it, or pass while the line run blocks. Only question is what the other receievers would do - run routes like during an rpo or run block like in a zone read.

I feel like I saw something like it in college this year, where it looked like a normal zone read mesh, but the qb held it a beat, then pulled it out and made a quick pass, which could only be done if the end was read to not be crashing, giving them additional time.

 

[NochNoch]

I feel like I saw something like it in college this year, where it looked like a normal zone read mesh, but the qb held it a beat, then pulled it out and made a quick pass, which could only be done if the end was read to not be crashing, giving them additional time.

Don't know if they are what you are referring to but it sounds like what Wake has been doing recently.

 

[Devo182]

Don't know if they are what you are referring to but it sounds like what Wake has been doing recently.

Yeah it looked pretty similar. Who knows if that's what they're actually doing, but yeah.

 

[Sleegro]

Is there such a thing as a combined zone read rpo? A run run pass option? Call it what you want, it would be a mixture of an rpo and a zone read option. Hand off, run it, or pass while the line run blocks. Only question is what the other receievers would do - run routes like during an rpo or run block like in a zone read.

I feel like I saw something like it in college this year, where it looked like a normal zone read mesh, but the qb held it a beat, then pulled it out and made a quick pass, which could only be done if the end was read to not be crashing, giving them additional time.

You see that more with running QBs. Urb used to run more of that. It's almost a modified triple option where the third option is a pass instead of a pitch. I think only one or 2 receivers usually go out on routes and the rest block.