More NFL Draft buzz for Josh Dobbs

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KBVol said:
Again, very little difference in arm talent. Both can make all the throws, Allen is very accurate. A baseball analogy would be that Kelly throws 94 where Allen throws 91...both throw strikes...Allen gives up fewer walks, makes fewer bad pitches in the strike zone. Allen has a much better rating, has a much betrr yards per attempt and has a much better TD to int ratio....while missing his top 3 WRs going into the season.

You're young, you're trying hard, but you're a bit clueless and it shows when you constantly give your all or nothing type statements. To watch those 2 throw the ball and post on here that it's "not even close" shows your naievete. Hang in there, keep trying and one day you might actually be seen as credible on here......maybe.
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Once again I'll let the NFL prove which of us is right or wrong (see Robert Nkemdiche). I bet Allen goes undrafted in 2016. And I bet Kelly gets drafted in the first 4-5 rounds in 2017.
 
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If Dobbs were playing for one of our rival SEC teams, had identical stats he does now and played on a team that beat us, he would be hailed as a good QB.

But because he plays for the Vols and doesnt have Peyton Manning numbers, he is just not that good. Gotta love VN.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Despite him saying PUBLICLY that he would entertain the prospect of being an Assistant coach..but not a Head Coach. Hhhhhmmmmm. His words vs your words. I think I'll go with his, instead. Thanks for participating, :salute: "now tell him him what he's won, Bob!"
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To be fair, if there was ever a chance for the so called coach speak, that's how it's done. Not so certain it's all that believable
 
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volfanbill said:
To be fair, if there was ever a chance for the so called coach speak, that's how it's done. Not so certain it's all that believable
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Coach speak? He isn't even a coach, yet. How could his comment get confused as coach-speak? :loco: Estas loco, man.

Peyton is very measured in his words. He's not going to joking say something, knowing it will be taken the wrong way. If he had no desire to be a coach in any capacity, he would have said it. Obviously, he would have to be asked. He's not going to go beating down the door or anything. But it's not as far-fetched as many like you would think.

Going back to my post, I think Peyton believes he could help Dobbs. Just having Peyton as his QB coach (and/or OC) would give Dobbs a lot of NFL clout, that he would otherwise have to earn all on his own. But, we'll see.

If I am Butch...the moment Peyton announces his retirement, I am dialing his # and offering the job. Mahoney's unit really hasn't performed well since he's been here, so I could see Debord's role shifted to OL Coach/run game coordinator and Peyton's role being QB Coach/Passing game coordinator = Mahoney gone.

Peyton coming on the staff would be an incredible boost to recruiting, ticket sales, media coverage, etc. Butch would have to be either stupid, stubborn or both, to not make that offer.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Well that's certainly not what you act like. Anyone reading your posts would determine you think Dobbs is ****ty. So either we have completely different definitions of "Decent SEC QB" or different ideas of how good Ainge was.
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He said that he was his least favorite QB since Kelly..thats going back a ways(17 QBs)

Nathan Peterman 2013-2014 Peterman was a backup QB who saw some limited action. At the end of the 2014 season and after graduating Peterman transferred to Pitt.
Justin Worley 2013–2014 Primary QB in 2013 and 2014. In 2014, played in seven games (3 wins - four losses) until season ending shoulder injury.

[1] Tyler Bray 2010–2012
Matt Simms 2010
Nick Stephens 2008
Jonathan Crompton 2006, 2008–2009
Erik Ainge 2004–2007
Rick Clausen 2004
Brent Schaeffer 2004
Casey Clausen 2000–2003
A. J. Suggs 2000
Tee Martin 1998–1999 Led Tennessee to the 1998 National Championship. That season he broke the NCAA record for consecutive completions
Peyton Manning 1994–1997 1997 Heisman Trophy Runner-Up. 1st overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft. Super Bowl XLI champion. 7 time first team All-Pro. NFL's all-time leader in career touchdown passes. NFL 2000s All-Decade Team. His number while at Tennessee (16) has been retired by the school. [2]
Todd Helton 1994 Played in 1994 until Peyton Manning took over primary QB duties. Helton went on to play Major League Baseball.
Jerry Colquitt 1994
Heath Shuler 1992–1993 1993 Heisman Trophy Runner-Up. Went into the NFL after Junior year.
Andy Kelly 1989–1991
 
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Nasavol said:
I'll help fix this for you; Dobbs is about the 5th best QB in the SEC
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I'll alert all the NFL scouts that have him rated highly as well as the Elite 11 judges..that NASAVol has spoken.
and oh yeah there is this

2015 TaxSlayer Bowl MVP
2015 TaxSlayer Bowl Scholar Athlete Award
First UT Player with 300 Yards Passing and 100 Yards Rushing in a single game –(301 Passing Yards & 166 Rushing Yards) (1 of 3 Players to do so in SEC History)
National Player Of Week by Athlon Sports (11/2/14)and 10/11/15
SEC Player of the Week 10/12/15

2014 SEC Academic Honor Roll
2013 SEC Academic Honor Roll
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Once again I'll let the NFL prove which of us is right or wrong (see Robert Nkemdiche). I bet Allen goes undrafted in 2016. And I bet Kelly gets drafted in the first 4-5 rounds in 2017.
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You go right ahead. The NFL draft "experts" are every bit as wrong as they are right. So many times it's not about who gets drafted and who doesn't in terms of deciding who the better collegiate QB was. The NFL guys put an incredible about of overemphasis on measurables as opposed to actual in-game production. For example, they've been salivating over Nkemdiche's size and athletic ability, while looking right past the fact that the guy doesn't perform/produce the way a first round pick should. I have no doubt that he'll go very high in the first round....and be nothing more than a solid role player, and perhaps even a bust....his numbers in college scream it.....28 games, 4.5 sacks, 14.5 TFLs.....so basically, other the course of nearly 3 full seasons, every other game he's played he has tackled somebody once in their backfield....and he actually sacks a QB about once every 7 games....yes, 1 sack every seven games.

I don't know the NFL scouts and GMs will evaluate Allen and Kelly, don't know where they'll be drafted and I don't care....it doesn't matter with regards to our debate. What matters is how well they're performing as collegiate qbs, which isn't based on some subjective projection predicated on how well they perform at the combine or a proday. Both have played very well this year, both have been productive....and, IMHO, there's very little difference between them in terms of how well they throw a football as an SEC QB.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm gonna enjoy upping this thread in one years time when Dobbs is near the top of the QB draft boards.

We'll see who has the last laugh.
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I'm not laughing at anything, I dunno why you're acting like this is some kind of competition. Do you think I'm going to be pissed off if Dobbs plays well enough to be drafted in the first or second round or something?

I love Dobbs and I hope he does become that good throughout the closing of this season and throughout the entirety of his senior season.

I'm not nearly obsessed enough with being "right" about a player to hope that the team/player is worse than they could be.

That said, I'm pointing out my observations of his career thus far, which again I think he's been a solid QB for us and comparing him to Erik Ainge is no slight. Ainge did a lot of great things for us, just as Dobbs has and hopefully will continue to.

I just don't see the same level of play that you claim to have seen so far. I would be lying if I said I knew enough about the 2017 class(I don't do any "scouting" of draft classes outside of the upcoming one) to rank where Dobbs should be in that list, so I can't really comment on that.
 
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KBVol said:
You go right ahead. The NFL draft "experts" are every bit as wrong as they are right. So many times it's not about who gets drafted and who doesn't in terms of deciding who the better collegiate QB was. The NFL guys put an incredible about of overemphasis on measurables as opposed to actual in-game production. For example, they've been salivating over Nkemdiche's size and athletic ability, while looking right past the fact that the guy doesn't perform/produce the way a first round pick should. I have no doubt that he'll go very high in the first round....and be nothing more than a solid role player, and perhaps even a bust....his numbers in college scream it.....28 games, 4.5 sacks, 14.5 TFLs.....so basically, other the course of nearly 3 full seasons, every other game he's played he has tackled somebody once in their backfield....and he actually sacks a QB about once every 7 games....yes, 1 sack every seven games.

I don't know the NFL scouts and GMs will evaluate Allen and Kelly, don't know where they'll be drafted and I don't care....it doesn't matter with regards to our debate. What matters is how well they're performing as collegiate qbs, which isn't based on some subjective projection predicated on how well they perform at the combine or a proday. Both have played very well this year, both have been productive....and, IMHO, there's very little difference between them in terms of how well they throw a football as an SEC QB.
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What will you say if Nkemdiche turns out to be a pro bowler in the NFL?

Its not like we haven't seen guys with low college production become NFL studs.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
What will you say if Nkemdiche turns out to be a pro bowler in the NFL?

Its not like we haven't seen guys with low college production become NFL studs.
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Then you can call me out and I'll eat crow, I'll admit I was wrong.

I think that's the exception to the rule. We've seen many guys who produced a lot in college and couldn't cut it in the pros, especially at the QB position. But I can't imagine that there have been too many guys who couldn't get to the QB or in the opponent's backfield in college, who wind up being a stud all-pro player at the NFL level. I'll assume there have been some, but I'd guess they are a rare breed.
 
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KBVol said:
Then you can call me out and I'll eat crow, I'll admit I was wrong.

I think that's the exception to the rule. We've seen many guys who produced a lot in college and couldn't cut it in the pros, especially at the QB position. But I can't imagine that there have been too many guys who couldn't get to the QB or in the opponent's backfield in college, who wind up being a stud all-pro player at the NFL level. I'll assume there have been some, but I'd guess they are a rare breed.
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I always thought the same about Clowney. I saw less publicized players have much more production than Clowney did in college. He's been hurt a lot, but I still don't see where the hype is on the field. People just loved the measurables and the kid would make some "look at what that freak did" play about once every couple of weeks that would get people drooling. The play against Michigan in the bowl game is nice, but it's one play.

Nkemdiche doesn't even give you any of that.

I've just seen many d-lineman over the years in the SEC that dominated games week in and week out. Clowney wasn't one of them. Neither is Nkemdiche
 
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Titans4Vols said:
I'm not laughing at anything, I dunno why you're acting like this is some kind of competition. Do you think I'm going to be pissed off if Dobbs plays well enough to be drafted in the first or second round or something?

I love Dobbs and I hope he does become that good throughout the closing of this season and throughout the entirety of his senior season.

I'm not nearly obsessed enough with being "right" about a player to hope that the team/player is worse than they could be.

That said, I'm pointing out my observations of his career thus far, which again I think he's been a solid QB for us and comparing him to Erik Ainge is no slight. Ainge did a lot of great things for us, just as Dobbs has and hopefully will continue to.

I just don't see the same level of play that you claim to have seen so far. I would be lying if I said I knew enough about the 2017 class(I don't do any "scouting" of draft classes outside of the upcoming one) to rank where Dobbs should be in that list, so I can't really comment on that.
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You "haven't been watching games"...or you'd 100% agree with him. :thumbsup:
 
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