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Sea Ray said:
Grains have added benefits that carbs don't, namely dietary fiber. I'm not an advocate of completely eliminating carbs from a diet and athletes need a lot of carbs but here's the bottom line:

You can live on zero carbs because your body can produce them. That's why it's not an "essential" food
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Carbs and grains aren’t different nutrients. Grains aren’t nutrients at all, actually, they are a nutrient-dense food group. Grains contain carbohydrates, as well as dietary fiber, gluten, and many other components. Guess what, fruits contain carbohydrates too, as well as fiber, minerals, vitamins.

Carbohydrates are healthy for you in moderation. They aren’t “essential” in the sense that you will die without them, but your nervous system requires them to operate at an optimal level. Knowing the difference between simple sugars and complex carbs is important when you are trying to make healthy choices.

 
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OHvol40 said:
Haha um, protein is broken down into usable energy through glycogenesis, a process usually taken up by your body when no carbs or fat are available through the more efficient pathways, it’s what’s used when you’re starving or malnourished… but it has nothing to do with glycolysis or the Krebs cycle. Maybe you should brush up.
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It's gluconeogenesis. Now there is glycogenolysis but that is a different thing. The former produces glucose in the absence (or very limited amount) of carbs while the latter breaks down glycogen to produce glucose.

I lost a a bunch of weight some years back on the keto diet. I know several people who did the same on straight carnivore. It works and your brain actually really likes ketones for fuel. So much so in fact there are actual clinical uses.

Effects of Ketone Bodies on Brain Metabolism and Function in Neurodegenerative Diseases - PMC

Under normal physiological conditions the brain primarily utilizes glucose for ATP generation. However, in situations where glucose is sparse, e.g., during prolonged fasting, ketone bodies become an important energy source for the brain. The brain’s ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

To answer the pyramid question being better in it's newer iteration it formerly relied on specifically weighting carbs vs proteins and fats and that's not great. I've told this story before but I was once trying to convince a coworker that their "healthy" no fat cookies still had a ton of calories and that not having fat or fiber actually increased the glycemic index of the flood and resulting insulin spike. They didn't want to here it and "fat free" was all they needed to know.

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#3,479
OHvol40 said:
Carbs and grains aren’t different nutrients. Grains contain carbohydrates, as well as dietary fiber, gluten, and many other components. Guess what, fruits contain carbohydrates too, as well as fiber, minerals, vitamins.

Carbohydrates are healthy for you in moderation. They aren’t “essential” in the sense that you will die without them, but your nervous system requires them to operate at an optimal level. Knowing the difference between simple sugars and complex carbs is important when you are trying to make healthy choices.

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They absolutely are different. My God

Show me where the grains are in powdered sugar. Powdered sugar is a carbohydrate but it is not a grain. Grains contain carbohydrates. But carbohydrates do not necessarily contain grains. They are different
 
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hndog609 said:
It's gluconeogenesis. Now there is glycogenolysis but that is a different thing. The former produces glucose in the absence (or very limited amount) of carbs while the latter breaks down glycogen to produce glucose.

I lost a a bunch of weight some years back on the keto diet. I know several people who did the same on straight carnivore. It works and your brain actually really likes ketones for fuel. So much so in fact there are actual clinical uses.

Effects of Ketone Bodies on Brain Metabolism and Function in Neurodegenerative Diseases - PMC

Under normal physiological conditions the brain primarily utilizes glucose for ATP generation. However, in situations where glucose is sparse, e.g., during prolonged fasting, ketone bodies become an important energy source for the brain. The brain’s ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

To answer the pyramid question being better in it's newer iteration it formerly relied on specifically weighting carbs vs proteins and fats and that's not great. I've told this story before but I was once trying to convince a coworker that their "healthy" no fat cookies still had a ton of calories and that not having fat or fiber actually increased the glycemic index of the flood and resulting insulin spike. They didn't want to here it and "fat free" was all they needed to know.

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I took a nutrition course once and I remember a lecture on why certain foods can put on their labels “fat free”, “low fat”, “good source of fiber”, “high fiber”, “good source of calcium”, etc. I was very interesting what manufacturers would try to pull off to try to get these phrases on their labels. Back then there were clear criteria for each, I’m not sure how much that has changed. Anyway, I digress.

Yes, there have been unnecessary negative connotations pumped into Americans’ consciousness with words like “fat” and “carbs”. So many stupid fad diets are largely the culprit of this.

The biggest issue facing a lot of people right now is what foods can you afford? Knowing what to eat is one thing, affording it is another. Beef up 15% last year, most produce is up 10-20%, poultry, nuts, seeds, all way up in just the last year. People are getting priced out of eating healthy.
 
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Volnanza said:
Trial by jury is not even comparable to the scientific method. Did you sleep through science class. The scientific method requires exact, independently, reproducible results. Trial by jury is subjective. Change the jury, change the judge, change the jurisdiction, change the results.
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Yes, in my Philosophy class on logic in college, one of my favorite weeks was the application of logical notation to summary arguments. It is scary what can happen in a court room and a jury.

Dr. Ron Barnette said one thing I never forgot: if you want out of jury duty, show up with your logic book.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
What is the AI/datacenter scam? My current understanding is as soon as these things come online the demand is there and they get subscribed.
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There is no demand, its fiction (round robin revenue scam at the moment). The big players have lots of cushion (cash reserves), the smaller and medium players, are already in the beginning of the crunch phase. The governments at the federal, state and local levels are already subsidizing the mega-corps. Its actually going to be worse than the stupid climate change/green energy nonsense once they start getting huge amounts of money from the government for new energy generation.

I'm just waiting on the next shoe to drop, Trump moving the USD to crypto.

Technology has been the promise to solve everyone's problems my whole life but all I see is a bunch of unhappy people that have more and more problems everyday. For the record, I use lots of technology and including AI agents for various tasks -> but at scale this is all just one big scam. I was thinking the other day how society needs more microslop content on youtube than we have bots to view them. All of this is nonsense just like crypto and climate change.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Read it again, I elaborated further Incase it was confusingly worded.
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I agree with what followed it

Let me try to illustrate in another way why they're not the same. Let's say they identified carbs alone as an essential food. Doing so would neglect the need for the fiber in grains.

Simply put all grains contain carbs but not all carbs contain grains. That is why it's not factual to state that "carbs and grains aren't different nutrients"
 
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LSU-SIU said:
So... the U.S. just moves from the climate change scam to the AI/datacenter scam?
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It's funny that people are complaining about data centers. I guess it's not common knowledge that all those data centers are required to enable everyone to make mindless videos on TicTok, or taking infinite pointless selfies of ones self. If you think it doesn't cost you anything, think again.
 
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Volnanza said:
Trial by jury is not even comparable to the scientific method. Did you sleep through science class. The scientific method requires exact, independently, reproducible results. Trial by jury is subjective. Change the jury, change the judge, change the jurisdiction, change the results.
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If you were restricting your ‘anything based on concensus is crap’ comment to scientifica you should have said so.
What about subjects for which data is incomplete, such reproducible results aren’t possible, etc.? Does a consensus sometimes emerge?
 
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#3,490
Volnanza said:
It's funny that people are complaining about data centers. I guess it's not common knowledge that all those data centers are required to enable everyone to make mindless videos on TicTok, or taking infinite pointless selfies of ones self. If you think it doesn't cost you anything, think again.
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There clearly isn't enough Micro$lop yet in the world. The world will get it one day.
 
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EasternVol said:
If you were restricting your ‘anything based on concensus is crap’ comment to scientifica you should have said so.
What about subjects for which data is incomplete, such reproducible results aren’t possible, etc.? Does a consensus sometimes emerge?
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A consensus often emerges in such instances. And the consensus is often wrong. Not much more than a century ago, the scientific consensus was that the universe was filled with a mysterious substance known as „aether“ enabling a medium through which light and gravity could travel.
It was wrong.

Aether theories - Wikipedia

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#3,493
Sea Ray said:
I agree with what followed it

Let me try to illustrate in another way why they're not the same. Let's say they identified carbs alone as an essential food. Doing so would neglect the need for the fiber in grains.

Simply put all grains contain carbs but not all carbs contain grains. That is why it's not factual to state that "carbs and grains aren't different nutrients"
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Because grains aren’t a nutrient, they are a food group that contains nutrients.
 
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EasternVol said:
If you were restricting your ‘anything based on concensus is crap’ comment to scientifica you should have said so.
What about subjects for which data is incomplete, such reproducible results aren’t possible, etc.? Does a consensus sometimes emerge?
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You can speculate. You can make theories. You won't have facts. If its not reproducible, then it fails the test. Science is very exacting. It needs to be that way.
 
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OHvol40 said:
Then correct me. Carbohydrates are the body’s preferred fuel.
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Our bodies are designed to run on either fats or carbs. Humans are hybrids. It actually makes sense and proves that God is truly genius. Think about our early ancestors, the farmers and hunter gatherers. Sometimes they would have plenty of carbs to eat, but that was seasonal in some cases, and in the cooler months when crops or more plant based foods were scarce, meats dominated the menu.
 
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#3,497
OHvol40 said:
Because grains aren’t a nutrient, they are a food group that contains nutrients.
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My original point which you said was wrong is that carbs are not one of the five essential foods. I showed you many sources to support that. The fact that grains contain many nutrients including carbs doesn’t change that
 
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