More Climate BS...

[LouderVol]

I was going to mention the unusually cool period in the 1850s and how tracking increase from that moment is folly.

But I reconsidered. Man made Climate change is faith-based.

depending on what dates, and locations, you want to use the mini-Ice age lasted for about 400 years.

so its not like it was a microscopic blip of mankind's time as the dominant species. and its at least 3x as long as the period they have studied as part of the "industrial age".

 

[McDad]

That’s a bit apples to oranges in terms of perceptible vs imperceptible, but to each their own.

May be to you. But there is a lot of stuff in Christian circles validating, or proving, the biblical narrative and/or the deity of Christ, etc.

Those 'proofs' are as unconvincing to skeptics as the MMGW proofs are to those skeptics.

 

[McDad]

For me the conversation about what we believe in is going to come down to how does that belief govern how you choose to live. As a christian, I should to be different from the world. My actions should align with my belief system. When they don't, the hypocrite is exposed. That hypocrisy casts doubt on what I really believe no matter how loudly and vociferously I tell others how they should be living.

I find the same with those who believe in MMGW. Someone's belief in that doesn't affect me. But the hypocrisy of how they choose to live compared with their message casts doubts. Speaking more about the political and pop culture class of people but it also holds some truth for posters here.

 

[OHvol40]

May be to you. But there is a lot of stuff in Christian circles validating, or proving, the biblical narrative and/or the deity of Christ, etc.

Those 'proofs' are as unconvincing to skeptics as the MMGW proofs are to those skeptics.

For me the conversation about what we believe in is going to come down to how does that belief govern how you choose to live. As a christian, I should to be different from the world. My actions should align with my belief system. When they don't, the hypocrite is exposed. That hypocrisy casts doubt on what I really believe no matter how loudly and vociferously I tell others how they should be living.

I find the same with those who believe in MMGW. Someone's belief in that doesn't affect me. But the hypocrisy of how they choose to live compared with their message casts doubts. Speaking more about the political and pop culture class of people but it also holds some truth for posters here.

Speaking anecdotally, I spent decades considering theology, as I was raised catholic and confirmed. I’ve consumed a lot of information and come to my own judgements/beliefs.

I’m afraid there are a lot of snap judgements made about climate change without much of the same objective consideration and introspection, especially after consuming the available information.

I mean, look at the implication just from the title of this thread.

 

[McDad]

Speaking anecdotally, I spent decades considering theology, as I was raised catholic and confirmed. I’ve consumed a lot of information and come to my own judgements/beliefs.

I’m afraid there are a lot of snap judgements made about climate change without much of the same objective consideration and introspection, especially after consuming the available information.

I mean, look at the implication just from the title of this thread.

It's the same as when I get to read posters refer to the "man in the sky", or the "fairytale", or the "flying spaghetti monster". Those things don't affect God or the Deity of Christ. In the same way, the thread title doesn't affect the observational data about climate change.

You and I arguing over climate change isn't going to do anything to alter the change that is coming. It's just more stuff to bicker about .

Now, what does make a change is how do we choose to live (individually) with the specific belief systems we carry.

 

[OHvol40]

It's the same as when I get to read posters refer to the "man in the sky", or the "fairytale", or the "flying spaghetti monster". Those things don't affect God or the Deity of Christ. In the same way, the thread title doesn't affect the observational data about climate change.

You and I arguing over climate change isn't going to do anything to alter the change that is coming. It's just more stuff to bicker about .

Now, what does make a change is how do we choose to live (individually) with the specific belief systems we carry.

So if you believe in the Christian afterlife, and believe there are dire consequences for not believing or adhering to the teachings of Jesus and the bible… do you not see the parallel with climate change in that if the warnings are correct and nothing is done to curb our releasing of greenhouse gases, the consequences are dire? Yet you seem to adamantly adhere to one and poo-poo the other.

I see some people on here mention fear mongering and grifting in relation to climate change, which I have acknowledged is understandable to be cynical about given our capitalistic world… yet it’s more rare to see those same people acknowledge Christianity being used to fear monger and grift despite there being hundreds of years of evidence that this happens.

 

[McDad]

So if you believe in the Christian afterlife, and believe there are dire consequences for not believing or adhering to the teachings of Jesus and the bible… do you not see the parallel with climate change in that if the warnings are correct and nothing is done to curb our releasing of greenhouse gases, the consequences are dire? Yet you seem to adamantly adhere to one and poo-poo the other.

It's even more basic than that. My belief in the great reward is mine. Once I start telling an unbeliever how to live, what to do, and what not to do to save their soul that's where I have crossed the line. Climate believers are telling me, an unbeliever, how I should live, what to do and not do in order to save the planet.

I see some people on here mention fear mongering and grifting in relation to climate change, which I have acknowledged is understandable to be cynical about given our capitalistic world… yet it’s more rare to see those same people acknowledge Christianity being used to fear monger and grift despite there being hundreds of years of evidence that this happens.

Inconsistencies abound; I agree.

Any belief system is exploitable by people prone to exploitation.

I have only talked to one MMGW person who has made substantive, sacrificial decisions to improve the planet.