More Climate BS...

That's where a lot of it came from.
No true! Al Gore made millions from speaking fees(up to 200K a pop), board appointments and an investment company that specializes in "green" investments(The majority of his wealth came from this company and it was founded using climate change as a driver for investors. This was after he wrote an inconvenient truth which boosted his profile in the "green" community.. He has grifted millions off of the climate cooling/warming/change hoax.

He also made 70-100 million by selling current TV to Qatar big oil.

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Charles Munger gives some insight into Gore's climate grift in the article below.

How Al Gore Got Rich
 
See, this is what I’m talking about. The study of Milankovitch cycles also dates back to the early 1900s. You don’t think the scientific community is well aware? It’s incredible, folks who have just heard of Milankovitch cycles for the first time come in here like, “see, we told you it was natural cycles all along!”

We know which orbital changes impact earth’s temperature and the time scales on which they occur (spoiler: it’s not decades). And we can directly measure the amount of radiation earth is receiving at present. It would be abundantly obvious if present global warming were due to external forcing. I promise, this has been investigated in depth, and what you’re suggesting simply isn’t what’s happening.
If not decades, could you narrow down to the century where we are in the Milkankovitch cycle, or tell me where the settled science says we are? They're well aware aren't they?
It’s incredible, folks who have just heard of Milankovitch cycles for the first time come in here like, “see, we told you it was natural cycles all along!”
I told you nothing of the sort. I used it as an example of a theory that scientist still can't fully explain and pointed out that some of what's hypothesized could undermine a lot of man made climate change rhetoric.

I'm not pretentious enough to claim the science is settled. I told you it's barely understood.
 
No true! Al Gore made millions from speaking fees(up to 200K a pop), board appointments and an investment company that specializes in "green" investments(The majority of his wealth came from this company and it was founded using climate change as a driver for investors. This was after he wrote an inconvenient truth which boosted his profile in the "green" community.. He has grifted millions off of the climate cooling/warming/change hoax.

He also made 70-100 million by selling current TV to Qatar big oil.

Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Charles Munger gives some insight into Gore's climate grift in the article below.

How Al Gore Got Rich
Very true, Al was born rich. The post-VP climate gigs are just gravy.
That article ain’t much.
 
^^True believer
Its in there deep. Think Scientology or Heavens Gate. Thankfully many people are walking away from the grift now though. Even moderate Lefties. Just in time for them to start preaching about the coming Ice Age that's gonna freeze us all to death. 1970s fear mongering about to be recycled.

When a huge portion of research grants are paid for by the "Climate Change" narrative via government and have skewed and built in assumptions, the outcome is predetermined. They will falsify data or cherry pick statistics to make sure that the grift continues. Gotta pay the bills right?
 
If not decades, could you narrow down to the century where we are in the Milkankovitch cycle, or tell me where the settled science says we are? They're well aware aren't they?
There’s a nice visual on the wikipedia page you posted.

Orbital eccentricity of earth is currently 0.0167 (close to circular), currently decreasing, and ranges from nearly 0 (circular) to 0.05 (more elliptical) in ~100,000 year cycles. Earth’s axial tilt is currently 23.44 degrees, currently decreasing, and ranges from 22.1 to 24.5 degrees in ~41,000 year cycles. Earth’s axis is currently pointing to Polaris and wobbles (precession) between there and Vega with a period of ~26,000 years.

Milankovitch cycles explain the long-term changes in energy we receive from the sun. Forget the time scale issue for a second. We can directly measure incoming solar radiation. We can directly see that the change in energy coming from the sun is negligible compared to the change due to greenhouse gases. And if the increase in energy came from the sun, instead of from greenhouse gases, it would have a different impact on (among other things) the vertical temperature change profile of the atmosphere. It’s simple to visualize. The lower atmosphere is warming, and the upper atmosphere is cooling. This is consistent with the greenhouse effect and inconsistent with a change in external forcing.
I told you nothing of the sort.
See, for example, Marcus’s post #3193.
I used it as an example of a theory that scientist still can't fully explain and pointed out that some of what's hypothesized could undermine a lot of man made climate change rhetoric.

I'm not pretentious enough to claim the science is settled. I told you it's barely understood.
I understand that it’s barely understood by you. It’s not your fault; there’s a lot of misinformation and intentional disinformation out there. Your thought process is reasonable but your hypothesis is not borne out by observation.
 
You do know that co2 is attacked for one reason. It is the one gas that is linked to human activity. That makes it the perfect avenue to levy TAXES. All around the world they are installing carbon taxes on products. Soo much $$$ and so much power (political) that if you proved tomorrow that the argument was wrong, you would just be ignored.
 
Indeed.

You personally may not be making that argument, but it still regularly pops up here.

Yes, different proxies are useful over different time scales. The aggregate of all the different sources of information tells us that current warming is unprecedented in recent geologic history. 81bc vs 82bc is not important.

Anyway, temperature history is only one of many lines of evidence. There are numerous fingerprints that show present climate change is due to the greenhouse effect. For example, earth’s stratosphere and other upper atmospheric layers are cooling, while the troposphere/lower atmosphere is warming. This is consistent with the greenhouse effect and inconsistent with external forcing such as Milankovitch cycles. It was predicted in the 1960s and confirmed over the following decades. Same goes for the rising tropopause (boundary between troposphere and stratosphere). We also see relatively more warming at night vs than during the day (decreasing diurnal temperature range), which is again a consequence of the greenhouse effect.

I mean we have literally looked up at the sky and measured the increase in incoming radiation specifically at the wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Likewise, we have satellites looking down measuring the decrease in outgoing radiation. We can directly measure the change in flux. It's unmistakably due to greenhouse gases.

Weird take. The natural period is good but it isn't natural?

Still nonsense

Sorry I really don’t understand what you’re even trying to argue here. Carbon dioxide is undoubtedly rapidly building up in the atmosphere and we have proof it’s due to the combustion of fossil fuels. Yeah, nature has dealt with it before. As George Carlin said, “The earth will be fine; it’s the people who are ****ed.”

Right?! Maybe we should be careful experimenting with geoengineering on a global scale
Sounds like the AI machine is being cranked up.
 
Indeed.

You personally may not be making that argument, but it still regularly pops up here.

Yes, different proxies are useful over different time scales. The aggregate of all the different sources of information tells us that current warming is unprecedented in recent geologic history. 81bc vs 82bc is not important.

Anyway, temperature history is only one of many lines of evidence. There are numerous fingerprints that show present climate change is due to the greenhouse effect. For example, earth’s stratosphere and other upper atmospheric layers are cooling, while the troposphere/lower atmosphere is warming. This is consistent with the greenhouse effect and inconsistent with external forcing such as Milankovitch cycles. It was predicted in the 1960s and confirmed over the following decades. Same goes for the rising tropopause (boundary between troposphere and stratosphere). We also see relatively more warming at night vs than during the day (decreasing diurnal temperature range), which is again a consequence of the greenhouse effect.

I mean we have literally looked up at the sky and measured the increase in incoming radiation specifically at the wavelengths of greenhouse gases. Likewise, we have satellites looking down measuring the decrease in outgoing radiation. We can directly measure the change in flux. It's unmistakably due to greenhouse gases.

Weird take. The natural period is good but it isn't natural?

Still nonsense

Sorry I really don’t understand what you’re even trying to argue here. Carbon dioxide is undoubtedly rapidly building up in the atmosphere and we have proof it’s due to the combustion of fossil fuels. Yeah, nature has dealt with it before. As George Carlin said, “The earth will be fine; it’s the people who are ****ed.”

Right?! Maybe we should be careful experimenting with geoengineering on a global scale
The fact that we only accept proxies at the extreme (long ago) dates should tell an objective observer they can't be trusted. we know they can't be trusted because we have tested that proxy data on today's environment and it doesn't match up as cleanly as they want. its not a 100% miss, but I think its somewhere around 40% "miss". the acceptable range from the modern day tests get to the point of being unusable in my opinion and most papers agree with that since they don't use proxy data. therefore its nonsensical to assume the proxy data we know is inaccurate today would be trustworthy for data from hundreds/thousands of years ago.

that is one of the issues I have pointed out, the data is built about multiple different methodologies, techniques, equipment, processes; and its assumed they are all equal, when no study actually says they are. I would be shocked if 100% were incompatible, and am not suggesting it. but again that miss factor (+/-) is not factored in.

the atmosphere is just one part of the equation. and at least I have not seen any data proclaiming to know how the atmosphere at the troposphere has changed over time. yeah its CO2 heavy now due to greenhouse gasses, but what does it actually mean. I posted an article in this thread a while ago stating that the greenhouse gasses were actually keeping us from heating up MORE than we are. which is quiet the change, and again not factored in when Al Gore told us in 2005 we would be iceless. AOC's 12 year declaration is at the half way point.

a giant first step would be for scientists to actively come out against the fearmongers. but they don't, because that is what the money is saying to do, not the actual science.

and yeah natural cycles are going to have various impacts on us. the "good" period we are in being extended is good, but the average is still going to swing around to less comfortable. humans survived before, and will again. we have been retreating from the old shores for thousands of years. look at the archaeology coming out of spain in particular with their droughts. settlements hundreds of yards out into the Med from where the shoreline is today. that wasn't due to man made climate change. it was just the climate changing. we have little to no data to say we wouldn't be seeing change in the climate regardless. as I pointed out, we have correlation not causation. its convenient and easy to say its changing only due to man kind; otherwise its hard to tax people and sell them on the next wonder product if nature is driving.
 

Over 80 Billion dollars pushed out the door in the last 76 days. We are so desensitized to numbers that nobody even cares about that. 80 Billion dollars is an unfathomable amount of money. Impossible to count. 1 Billion dollars could make 1000 different people millionaires. 80x that pushed out the door in a couple of months is insanity. There will be no oversight on any of that stuff. The majority of it will be siphoned off to Dems and then a portion of that of course recycled back into the Democrat Party for garbage politics.
 

‘Green Energy’ Wind Turbine Kills Bald Eagle in Minnesota​


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President Donald Trump’s frequent criticism of wind turbines’ fatal effect on birds was confirmed again in dramatic and symbolic fashion with the gruesome death in Minnesota of the country’s iconic symbol — an American bald eagle.

The University of Minnesota is facing a penalty of more than $14,000 after it was discovered that a green energy initiative funded by the Obama administration was responsible for killing the bird at its Eolos Wind Energy Research Field Station in Dakota County, according to Fox News Digital.

 

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