MLB Draft Talk (July 13th 6pm EDT & July 14th 11:30am EDT)

#701
#701
I tend to think on a guy lot Bargo, he did enough and over my time here, what a difference an off season can make. I agree up to the staff, but another year can make a difference game slows down and he’s seen the pitching, plus he can help young bucks. Up to the coaches.

GBO!!!
 
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#702
taylorvol said:
IMHO—None of those guys were team leaders. They were all great players but weren’t leaders. Ensley was the leader on the 25 team. It wasn’t in Kilen’s personality and hard for Doyle as a starting pitcher. Fischer could be a bit polarizing
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Agree to disagree. Kilen I might concede on for reasons you mentioned. I'll stand by Doyle and Fischer, though. And I'll also agree with Ensley, but he wasnt the sole leader, IMO.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Agree to disagree. Kilen I might concede on for reasons you mentioned. I'll stand by Doyle and Fischer, though. And I'll also agree with Ensley, but he wasnt the sole leader, IMO.
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I think Fischer was. He might’ve had an extreme personality, but so did Gilbert. And Lord knows he was a leader.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I think Fischer was. He might’ve had an extreme personality, but so did Gilbert. And Lord knows he was a leader.
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Leader to fans perception is much different than to the players in the clubhouse. I will leave it at that. With that said, Drew Gilbert was a leader of leaders! 😀🍊👍👊🍊🍊👍 Other examples of recent leaders: Evan Russell, Cal Stark, Blake Burke, and CMO.
 
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#705
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TheMookieMonster said:
I think it’s somewhat telling that “one of the best hitters” in our lineup did not even get drafted in a 20 round draft. That is kind of a stark illustration of the offensive issues we had as a team in SEC play. I’m ready for some new blood. It’s a harsh reality, but that is just how professional sports are (which let’s not kid ourselves, this is now professional sports).
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Couldn’t the same thing be said about Ford?? The fan base is big on him but apparently MLB scouts are not??
 
#707
#707
volfan411 said:
Couldn’t the same thing be said about Ford?? The fan base is big on him but apparently MLB scouts are not??
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Ford could’ve been drafted in the 2nd. But he has a ton of leverage, so he was asking for 1st round money. He basically told teams, don’t draft me if you’re not willing to meet the money I’m asking for. Him being undrafted and Bargo being undrafted are not even close to the same thing.
 
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rockytop25 said:
Ford had a lot of leverage because he’s only a sophomore. He probably thinks a year at Tennessee will get him drafted in the first round.

Completely different scenario
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I guess I don’t understand draft leverage. I just assume if a kid is that good a team would draft and pay the asking price.
 
#711
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volfan411 said:
I guess I don’t understand draft leverage. I just assume if a kid is that good a team would draft and pay the asking price.
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All these teams know the asking price of prospects before the draft. A team will not draft a prospect in the top 10 rounds if they’re not willing to meet the asking price, almost always.

Ford was mocked anywhere from the middle of the 2nd round to the third. Let’s say Ford thinks he can come to UT, be developed more, and play in the SEC and be a first rounder next year. If that’s true, given slot values in the first round, hypothetically let’s say his number is $3 million. Teams value him lower than that at this point, let’s say anywhere from $1.5 to 800k, again given the slot values from where he was projected.

He has leverage because he can come back to school as a junior if teams don’t match his number. Obviously teams didn’t because he wasn’t drafted. It had nothing to do with his talent. He’s betting on himself by coming to UT.
 
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volfan411 said:
I guess I don’t understand draft leverage. I just assume if a kid is that good a team would draft and pay the asking price.
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So in Ford’s case:

He can return for another season (or two), boost his draft stock, and seek a higher bonus in the future. So if someone doesn’t meet his number (say $2m) he can just go back to school and hope to get drafted first round next year.

In a guy like Hunter Ensley’s case (or any other senior):

He has no leverage — they can’t return to college. Teams often sign seniors for well below slot value, because the player’s only option is to take the offer or not play at all
 
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#713
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preacherman20 said:
Play

Player's coach (they will do anything he asks because he does a great job of building relationships in recruiting. No BS like it or not), best recruiter in the business, understands how to surround himself with good guys (Frank being the perfect example from day one. Many young coaches would not have wanted an older former HC), Let's the guys be themselves, works really hard getting them seen for pros (even if the fans, especially VN fans don't like it. He will be loyal to a T because he expects the same from them.) Honest with himself. And lastly a great communicator. Radio, tv, podcasts, MLB draft. I think that is because he is honest and knowledgeable. He is a learner.
The only thing I have ever heard him say as a negative is he takes blame for making questionable decisions but says I was trying to win a game. But it has worked out pretty good for him.
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I think you failed to mention his greatest strength. His player evaluation skills are elite. He finds talent that many others never see.
 
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txbo said:
I think you failed to mention his greatest strength. His player evaluation skills are elite. He finds talent that many others never see.
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taylorvol said:
Absolutely. To give some context, Blake Burke was ranked 390, Dylan Dreiling was 293, Drew Gilbert was 282, Jordan Beck was 345, and CMO was 90 (Source: Perfect Game)
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…case in point!
 
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Gilbert said:
All these teams know the asking price of prospects before the draft. A team will not draft a prospect in the top 10 rounds if they’re not willing to meet the asking price, almost always.

Ford was mocked anywhere from the middle of the 2nd round to the third. Let’s say Ford thinks he can come to UT, be developed more, and play in the SEC and be a first rounder next year. If that’s true, given slot values in the first round, hypothetically let’s say his number is $3 million. Teams value him lower than that at this point, let’s say anywhere from $1.5 to 800k, again given the slot values from where he was projected.

He has leverage because he can come back to school as a junior if teams don’t match his number. Obviously teams didn’t because he wasn’t drafted. It had nothing to do with his talent. He’s betting on himself by coming to UT.
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And he can get paid to do it, now. Even if it isnt life-changing money, it's comfort money while he improves his draft profile.
 
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#721
#721
malkmusvol said:
Those guys did all they could to get us to Omaha. Other holes around them were the issue. Also we got the worst Super Regional draw possible for our team. Every other match-up would have been better for us (including LSU).
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We just had 8 guys go on day one of the MLB draft. The talent was there.
 
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#722
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txbo said:
They didn't get us to Omaha.
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They did not get us to Omaha, sure, but it wasn’t because they didn’t deliver on their end of the bargain. They were exceptional for the majority of the post-season. If anything, it was the core returning players like Bargo and Chapman that didn’t show up in June that led to us getting bounced early.

I’m not trying to put blame on anyone, I just don’t think it’s fair to claim those 3 guys weren’t leaders and use not making it to Omaha as proof of that.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
They did not get us to Omaha, sure, but it wasn’t because they didn’t deliver on their end of the bargain. They were exceptional for the majority of the post-season. If anything, it was the core returning players like Bargo and Chapman that didn’t show up in June that led to us getting bounced early.

I’m not trying to put blame on anyone, I just don’t think it’s fair to claim those 3 guys weren’t leaders and use not making it to Omaha as proof of that.
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You can add Hunter Ensley to that list, as well. Love him to death but his bat had holes in it, especially in the NCAAT (4-23).
 
#725
#725
TheMookieMonster said:
They did not get us to Omaha, sure, but it wasn’t because they didn’t deliver on their end of the bargain. They were exceptional for the majority of the post-season. If anything, it was the core returning players like Bargo and Chapman that didn’t show up in June that led to us getting bounced early.

I’m not trying to put blame on anyone, I just don’t think it’s fair to claim those 3 guys weren’t leaders and use not making it to Omaha as proof of that.
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I'm not taking a shot at those kids. Clearly they are very talented players that excelled on the field. Transfers will never add that special something that it takes to go all the way.

 
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