Mike Leach describes conversations with Tennessee in 2017: 'It was like something out of Shakespeare'

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DC Vol said:
Since you want to go through the record books, lets look at what he inherited, numbers using 247 composite:

2008: 2-11 (1-8 PAC-12) #63 national class
2009: 1-11 (0-9) #65
2010: 2-10 (1-8) #68
2011: 4-8 (2-7) #58

While Pruitt inherited:
2014: 7-6 (3-5 SEC) #4 (though a lot transferred)
2015: 9-4 (5-3) #14
2016: 9-4 (4-4) #17
2017: 4-8 (0-8) #21

So while Pruitt didn't walk into a great squad, it's certainly better than what Leach got at Washington State.

Leach also has a track record while Pruitt does not. He had a rough Year 1, which is entirely expected, a good Year 2 and then a rough Year 3.

In Year 3, however, he lost to:

8-5 Rutgers
7-6 Nevada
13-2 Oregon
5-7 Cal
8-5 Stanford
10-4 Arizona
9-4 USC
10-3 Arizona State
8-6 Washington

So you can make an argument that he lost every game he was supposed to except for possibly Nevada who was a decent Mountain West team and Cal. Everyone else had a minimum of 8 wins.
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Now list the SEC ranking of each recruiting class and the strength of schedules of Tennessee vs Wazzou for those 4 years.... its almost like you want to cherrypick details
 
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Boston Vol said:
Yeah I don’t understand the criticism of Leach. I’m on record as saying I don’t know if he’d fit in a fishbowl like Knoxville, but he’s proven that he’s an excellent coach.
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I was thrilled when I thought he was going to be our coach
 
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Boston Vol said:
Uh, he was more than successful as OC at Kentucky. Tim Couch was a heisman finalist under Leach.
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Then maybe hire him as as OC? Not much success as a HC. Look at his records posted earlier in this thread after his first three years as an established coach at Washington State.
 
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volinbham said:
He's done it - twice. Two places in a row.
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But based on the patience or lack thereof here, he would not have enough time in to please people........


If he only got 12-15 wins in 3 seasons, there is no way people will be saying "Lets just get to year 4 and we will be okay"
 
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DC Vol said:
Since you want to go through the record books, lets look at what he inherited, numbers using 247 composite:

2008: 2-11 (1-8 PAC-12) #63 national class
2009: 1-11 (0-9) #65
2010: 2-10 (1-8) #68
2011: 4-8 (2-7) #58

While Pruitt inherited:
2014: 7-6 (3-5 SEC) #4 (though a lot transferred)
2015: 9-4 (5-3) #14
2016: 9-4 (4-4) #17
2017: 4-8 (0-8) #21

So while Pruitt didn't walk into a great squad, it's certainly better than what Leach got at Washington State.

Leach also has a track record while Pruitt does not. He had a rough Year 1, which is entirely expected, a good Year 2 and then a rough Year 3.

In Year 3, however, he lost to:

8-5 Rutgers
7-6 Nevada
13-2 Oregon
5-7 Cal
8-5 Stanford
10-4 Arizona
9-4 USC
10-3 Arizona State
8-6 Washington

So you can make an argument that he lost every game he was supposed to except for possibly Nevada who was a decent Mountain West team and Cal. Everyone else had a minimum of 8 wins.
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You can't use what he inherited as an excuse. It doesn't apply according to the MM Crowd.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
But based on the patience or lack thereof here, he would not have enough time in to please people........


If he only got 12-15 wins in 3 seasons, there is no way people will be saying "Lets just get to year 4 and we will be okay"
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IF, if if. Again, if you think JP walked into a dumpster fire then Leach walked into Chernobyl.

Yes, if he did terrible people would want him gone. I doubt he'd do as bad as JP has done so far.
 
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volinbham said:
IF, if if. Again, if you think JP walked into a dumpster fire then Leach walked into Chernobyl.

Yes, if he did terrible people would want him gone. I doubt he'd do as bad as JP has done so far.
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Wazzou was a down program, for sure. However you are comparing apples to oranges.

Tennessee has a much tougher schedule year in and year out. Wazzou has a cake walk
Tennessee has anywhere from 4-6 SEC programs to compete with recruiting wise nationally before looking at out of conference schools. What are the PAC 12 recruiting rankings look like in terms of ranking compared to other schools/conferences.

Wazzou shouldn't need 3 years to turn around when facing cupcakes and non top recruiting classes of opponents.

Once again, there is nothing to suggest he could go better than his 12-25 start unless you are willing to give him 4-5 years to see actually big win totals.

If you are willing to do that, pushing a fire Pruitt chant after 14 games is just dumb.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Yep. I told you preseason you better temper them expectations.
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I'm fine though, I seem to be handling it way better than all those that were so worried about my well being.

Now I'm telling them. Don't do it to yourself, don't set yourself up for disappointment. Don't expect to fire Pruitt and us go out and hire a proven winner.

You have been warned.
 
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Pride85 said:
Not to the level you guys require of a head coach. Look at his year to year records.
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For the love of...

10 years at TT - 10 winning seasons/10 bowl appearances
7 years at WSU - 5 winning seasons/5 bowl games

Compare either of those to the historical record of those teams and you'll see he's at the top.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
But based on the patience or lack thereof here, he would not have enough time in to please people........

If he only got 12-15 wins in 3 seasons, there is no way people will be saying "Lets just get to year 4 and we will be okay"
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It's not a one size fits all proposition. Patience level is dictated, in part, by trust. A coach whose done it before is going to have more trust than a coach who has never done it.
 
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volinbham said:
For the love of...

10 years at TT - 10 winning seasons/10 bowl appearances
7 years at WSU - 5 winning seasons/5 bowl games

Compare either of those to the historical record of those teams and you'll see he's at the top.
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Yet still cannot land a big time gig at a big time D1 achool
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It's not a one size fits all proposition. Patience level is dictated, in part, by trust. A coach whose done it before is going to have more trust than a coach who has never done it.
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So if I'm following, you're fine firing a first time coach 14 games into his career, but are willing to give a coach ("who has done it before") a 3 year pass before expecting higher win totals? All in the name of he's done that before....

Makes total sense.
 
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volinbham said:
For the love of...

10 years at TT - 10 winning seasons/10 bowl appearances
7 years at WSU - 5 winning seasons/5 bowl games

Compare either of those to the historical record of those teams and you'll see he's at the top.
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6-7 is not a winning season with a bowl loss. Hell, 6-6 isn't a winning season
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Wazzou was a down program, for sure. However you are comparing apples to oranges.

Tennessee has a much tougher schedule year in and year out. Wazzou has a cake walk
Tennessee has anywhere from 4-6 SEC programs to compete with recruiting wise nationally before looking at out of conference schools. What are the PAC 12 recruiting rankings look like in terms of ranking compared to other schools/conferences.

Wazzou shouldn't need 3 years to turn around when facing cupcakes and non top recruiting classes of opponents.

Once again, there is nothing to suggest he could go better than his 12-25 start unless you are willing to give him 4-5 years to see actually big win totals.

If you are willing to do that, pushing a fire Pruitt chant after 14 games is just dumb.
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Something tells me he would have survived the "gauntlet schedule" of this year to date.

I'm also not calling on Pruitt to be fired after 14 games either - just saying I would rather have had Leach.
 
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