Mike Leach describes conversations with Tennessee in 2017: 'It was like something out of Shakespeare'

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VOLnMiami said:
Ok is there anyone at your house over the age of 9 who can read at a 2nd grade level to explain what I said?...Wow
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Uh, no......we all be dain-bramaged from reading your posts.....

But it doesn't take anyone past a 2nd grade education to understand that Leach's career winning percentage as a HC is just south of 62%.......

So, whether he's been an OC--or the HEAD COACH with a 17 year body of work--

Leach continues to produce teams with great offenses that SIMPLY CANNOT WIN consistently against the better teams in his conference.
He's 1-6 against Washington right now at WSU.......and only has managed to average 15 points each time he has played them.
And the average margin of defeat in those 6 losses is 22 points....
So that hi-powered offense of his gets stifled and shut down.

I tried to type slowly so that you might be able to process the information and understand the big picture.
 
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jerrync said:
We didn't need a entertainer, but a coach that would bring us back tp where we need to be on the SEC. You are right, we did get the right coach. Give CJP another couple of years, and he should have the VOLS where we should be. GO VOLS[/QUOT
While I do see that Pruitt is seemingly doing things better, I still don’t get why some people are saying he will return us to championships . We really still have nothing to base that on other than perception at this point, and likely still won’t until the season after this one. I appreciate the positivity don’t get me wrong.
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The fact that Currie didn't speak to Leach until after his ridiculous attempt at hiring Schiano was blocked by the Vol faithful, and after going after Dave Doeren also shows how bad he was.

I still cannot believe we almost had Schiano as a head coach. It's embarrassing

Is the guy even coaching anywhere now? Seems like Currie had plans to get an ill equipped coach PAID.
 
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Pride85 said:
Get back with me when he wins the PAC 12.
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He took a 2 star QB and got him into the NFL. He can develop talent, especially on offense and has done so at a school with a fraction of the resources we have. At this point, I'd take a coach that knows how to at least win 7 or 8 games a year over the worst start to the season in 30 years.
 
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I don't know if any of the Mike Leach JS chasers have looked at his record at Washington State, but you might want to. He was 3-9, 6-7 and 3-9 in his first three years. Do you think he would be given three years at a 12-25 clip with your butterfly mentality? He was 4-10 in his first 14 games, but some of you think he is better. He has only had TWO (2) double digit win seasons since 2000. Not exactly National Championship material.
 
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WilliamDuVOL said:
He took a 2 star QB and got him into the NFL. He can develop talent, especially on offense and has done so at a school with a fraction of the resources we have. At this point, I'd take a coach that knows how to at least win 7 or 8 games a year over the worst start to the season in 30 years.
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Read my post above and let me know whether you would accept that record after game 2 of his second season.
 
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LosersWithSocks said:
The fact that Currie didn't speak to Leach until after his ridiculous attempt at hiring Schiano was blocked by the Vol faithful, and after going after Dave Doeren also shows how bad he was.

I still cannot believe we almost had Schiano as a head coach. It's embarrassing

Is the guy even coaching anywhere now? Seems like Currie had plans to get an ill equipped coach PAID.
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You're also forgetting the "go after an entrenched coach at his alma mater and help him get a pay raise but also convince the yokels in this has-been fanbase that we are actually trying before inevitably hiring a cheap nobody that will put butts in the seats for 2-3 years before we have to hire another cheap nobody" inbetween all of that as well.

Hamilton/Hart/Currie never conducted a real search and they certainly never provided any real offers. UT has always tried to low-ball it's candidates because the admin never cared. We could have had Gary Patterson (never offered but he has said he would have taken it in 2009/2010), David Cutcliffe (offered, but fell through once he said he wanted to bring his guys... ended up getting Jones who brought his guys) and Mike Leach (never offered, he said he would have taken it in) at respective Dooley/Jones/Pruitt conjectures.

Pruitt was a panic hire by Fulmer, nothing more.
 
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LosersWithSocks said:
The fact that Currie didn't speak to Leach until after his ridiculous attempt at hiring Schiano was blocked by the Vol faithful, and after going after Dave Doeren also shows how bad he was.

I still cannot believe we almost had Schiano as a head coach. It's embarrassing

Is the guy even coaching anywhere now? Seems like Currie had plans to get an ill equipped coach PAID.
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Puppets only do what the master pulling the strings wants it to do.

No, he’s out of coaching to spend more time with family last I read
 
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Pride85 said:
Get back with me when he wins the PAC 12.
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Mike leech didn’t have success his first time in the SEC the offense doesn’t work here. He was Hal Mumme’s assistant at Kentucky it would of been a terrible hire. Funny press conferences maybe that’s about it
 
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Mike Leach is exactly where he needs to be. He couldn’t handle himself at a lower school in Texas what makes me believe he can handle the top school In Tennessee?
 
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Pride85 said:
I don't know if any of the Mike Leach JS chasers have looked at his record at Washington State, but you might want to. He was 3-9, 6-7 and 3-9 in his first three years. Do you think he would be given three years at a 12-25 clip with your butterfly mentality? He was 4-10 in his first 14 games, but some of you think he is better. He has only had TWO (2) double digit win seasons since 2000. Not exactly National Championship material.
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To be fair Leach walked into a much worse situation at WSU than JP did at UT. WSU was 39-66 (.37) in the 8 years prior to Leach's arrival. UT was 76-44 (.63) in the 8 years prior to JPs arrival.

His record at Texas Tech is considerably better than the coaches that came before him or after him. Of six coaches there since 1981 he's the only one to never have a losing season. Went to a bowl game every year (10 straight).

Both teams are performing well above their historical averages with him as HC.
 
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Why is an article from August 1 about events two years ago relevant today? While we're at it, let's rehash the Fulmer firing, the reasons Lane Kiffin left and whether he was actually worth a **** or not, how we got stuck with Dooley, how Butch at least got us to a couple nine win seasons but wasn't the long term solution and then yes, one more dive into the Schiano/Currie/Leach dumpster.

Or....look forward to the ass beating our pissed off team is bout to put on Chattanooga and discuss prospects for the rest of the season. I;m going with Plan B.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I'm surprised people would want Leach considering he went 3-9, 6-7, 3-9 in first 3 years in the PAC 12.......

I mean people are already wanting to boot Pruitt after 14 games.
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If he did that here then yes people would want to boot him. No reason to believe he would - WSu was in way worse condition than UT.
 
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Pride85 said:
I don't know if any of the Mike Leach JS chasers have looked at his record at Washington State, but you might want to. He was 3-9, 6-7 and 3-9 in his first three years. Do you think he would be given three years at a 12-25 clip with your butterfly mentality? He was 4-10 in his first 14 games, but some of you think he is better. He has only had TWO (2) double digit win seasons since 2000. Not exactly National Championship material.
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Since you want to go through the record books, lets look at what he inherited, numbers using 247 composite:

2008: 2-11 (1-8 PAC-12) #63 national class
2009: 1-11 (0-9) #65
2010: 2-10 (1-8) #68
2011: 4-8 (2-7) #58

While Pruitt inherited:
2014: 7-6 (3-5 SEC) #4 (though a lot transferred)
2015: 9-4 (5-3) #14
2016: 9-4 (4-4) #17
2017: 4-8 (0-8) #21

So while Pruitt didn't walk into a great squad, it's certainly better than what Leach got at Washington State.

Leach also has a track record while Pruitt does not. He had a rough Year 1, which is entirely expected, a good Year 2 and then a rough Year 3.

In Year 3, however, he lost to:

8-5 Rutgers
7-6 Nevada
13-2 Oregon
5-7 Cal
8-5 Stanford
10-4 Arizona
9-4 USC
10-3 Arizona State
8-6 Washington

So you can make an argument that he lost every game he was supposed to except for possibly Nevada who was a decent Mountain West team and Cal. Everyone else had a minimum of 8 wins.
 
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volinbham said:
To be fair Leach walked into a much worse situation at WSU than JP did at UT. WSU was 39-66 (.37) in the 8 years prior to Leach's arrival. UT was 76-44 (.63) in the 8 years prior to JPs arrival.

His record at Texas Tech is considerably better than the coaches that came before him or after him. Of six coaches there since 1981 he's the only one to never have a losing season. Went to a bowl game every year (10 straight).

Both teams are performing well above their historical averages with him as HC.
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Yeah I don’t understand the criticism of Leach. I’m on record as saying I don’t know if he’d fit in a fishbowl like Knoxville, but he’s proven that he’s an excellent coach.
 
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volinbham said:
If he did that here then yes people would want to boot him. No reason to believe he would - WSJ was in way worse condition than UT.
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Yet in an easier conference......

Once again, why is there any suggestion or proof that he would rebuild Tennessee faster given the scheme/system change he would have to do?
 
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