McElwain Vs. Butch/Dooley

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jwells said:
Florida dominated Ole Miss, but they needed a miracle of a play to win against us. We're not as bad as our record, and they aren't as good as theirs.
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That holds water if UT had beaten OU and Arkansas at home.... obviously, that's not the case.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Where do people come up with this? Does anyone check before stating things??

Starters versus Ole Miss

1 - true sophomore
2 - redshirt sophomores
1 - redshirt junior
1 - redshirt senior
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It was said at LEAST 15 times by Gary Danielson that UF had two Freshman tackle playing against us, particularly as Florida's Freshman QB was throwing the winning TD to his Freshman WR and our hustling corner was jogging after him like a Sunday in the park.
 
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I see a slight improvement in recruiting but overall we are about at the same level as Dooley's 3rd year. Butch Jones needs to win or he is gone. He may not have been ready for the SEC. McElwain is a better hire. We should get a big name coach next search.
 
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Bert Rechichar said:
It was said at LEAST 15 times by Gary Danielson that UF had two Freshman tackle playing against us, particularly as Florida's Freshman QB was throwing the winning TD to his Freshman WR and our hustling corner was jogging after him like a Sunday in the park.
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True, I went and researched and UF has been playing 3 Freshmen on the o-line extensively this season; Martez Ivey, Tyler Jordan and Fred Johnson.

That team is 5-0 and probably about to be 6-0, plus they have at least 3 sure wins still on their schedule; SC, Vandy, some creampuff team, so they're looking at 9 wins at least.

We may be looking at another Florida run of dominance when all these Freshmen grow up.
 
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Mcelwain was a great hire. Better than I expected. This is one of the most successful starts to a debut season that I can remember. Most people expected Florida to be 3-2 at this point... Some 2-3.

The roster has some holes.

Offensive Line:almost no experience... Playing 3 true freshmen at times. Has just 6 scholarship OL in spring. Most of the OL are freshmen or sophomores.

Qb:redshirt freshmen qb (is talented though)

Wr:a very shallow wr core. Recently a Gator coach privately said 5 or 6 of the wrs need to be at a community college.

Lbs : a critical shortage of linebackers thanks to overrated muschamp. The team has no choice but to play dime and nickel most of the time.
 
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Just to give you guys some more perspective around the youth and what McElwain is doing and could do......our official roster lists 115 active participants, including scout team players.

80 of those are redshirt sophs or younger. 70% of the team.
 
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Bert Rechichar said:
It was said at LEAST 15 times by Gary Danielson that UF had two Freshman tackle playing against us, particularly as Florida's Freshman QB was throwing the winning TD to his Freshman WR and our hustling corner was jogging after him like a Sunday in the park.
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doesn't mean he was right. the same five that started the Ole Miss game started against Tennessee. Maybe Danielson has no idea what he is talking about.

Likely they had some others play in the OL but how much? Three plays?? who knows. But they don't list any true freshman starting in the OL
 
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DCompagnucci said:
True, I went and researched and UF has been playing 3 Freshmen on the o-line extensively this season; Martez Ivey, Tyler Jordan and Fred Johnson.

That team is 5-0 and probably about to be 6-0, plus they have at least 3 sure wins still on their schedule; SC, Vandy, some creampuff team, so they're looking at 9 wins at least.

We may be looking at another Florida run of dominance when all these Freshmen grow up.
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I would be interested in where you were able to locate that snap count.. those three did not start. I would be interested in the data that includes snaps..

thanks
 
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Two major differences, UT vs UF, besides the HCs:

UF has a quality AD, and admin support for the program. The results speak for themselves -- count up the SECC and NC since 1990.

No one always makes perfect hires, but UF is quick to correct its errors (see Zook and Muschump). And in Zook's case iirc his last season "failure" had 8 wins.
 
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I can't believe if money was an issue that you let Cincy get Tubberville for next to nothing. I'd be worried if he were your HC. He may not be the kind who wins a NC, but he would have you in the thick of things every year with your typical roster. He knows how to compete in the SEC.
 
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volmandu said:
It is sad but McElwain has achieved much for in his first five games for Florida than Butch and Dooley did in Six years.
He already has 3-0 SEC start which Butch and Dooley never saw.
He has now a win against Top 5 program which neither of our guys did.
He has already beaten two teams which he was not supposed to this season. Which Butch and Dooley only matched (2 SC games) in two seasons.
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The Florida two deep has more talent than the UT 2 deep...
 
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secund2nun said:
Mcelwain was a great hire. Better than I expected. This is one of the most successful starts to a debut season that I can remember. Most people expected Florida to be 3-2 at this point... Some 2-3.

The roster has some holes.

Offensive Line:almost no experience... Playing 3 true freshmen at times. Has just 6 scholarship OL in spring. Most of the OL are freshmen or sophomores.
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The have two seniors starting on the OL and one is a RS Senior...they have two RS Sophomores and one true sophomore starting - their starting TE is a RS senior...behind that group they have a three RS freshmen and three true freshmen...
 
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LWSVOL said:
doesn't mean he was right. the same five that started the Ole Miss game started against Tennessee. Maybe Danielson has no idea what he is talking about.

Likely they had some others play in the OL but how much? Three plays?? who knows. But they don't list any true freshman starting in the OL
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May not have started yet but Ivey, Johnson, & Jordan play a lot
 
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TheColdVolTruth said:
https://www.gatorcountry.com/feature/breaking-down-the-florida-gators-depth-chart-offensive-line/

Pretty well sums up the great gator offensive line mystery.
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That was a preseason piece....their two deep against us was:

LT: 78 David Sharpe (SO), 73 Martez Ivey (FR)
LG: 63 Trip Thurman (RS SR), 52 Travaris Dorsey (RS FR)
C: 54 Cam Dillard (RS SO), 64 Tyler Jordan (FR)
RG: 71 Antonio Riles (RS SO), 77 Andrew Mike (RS FR)
RT: 75 Mason Halter (SR), 74 Fred Johnson (FR)
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
There's a couple positions I would debate that

Basically every position on offense prior to the game being played
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I was just using the recruiting ranking of the two teams...per the old star system, Florida has more talent...
 
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I can speak on the offensive line and you can make up your own mind.

At the end of 2014, dj humphries left for the NFL. Tyler Moore also left early. Florida was down to like 7 lineman for the spring when the worst news possible came. The best returning offensive lineman, rod Johnson was diagnosed with a medical condition and his career was over.

So what was left was, sharpe (a highly rated true soph), trip Thurman (RSR) who has his own injury issues and some thought he would not play this season. Others think his shoulder is a ticking time bomb. Those were the guys who were not going to scare you if they played.

Cam Dillard was thought to be a bust that no one expected to see the field. Riles was a converted defensive lineman moved to create depth. No one thought he would actually ever be asked to play.

There are two or three other guys that returned that don't sniff the field.

Enter ...a transfer from Fordham...yes, Fordham. This guy starts.

Enter in three true freshman who beat out everyone else and are basically the team's only depth.

So, a tackle who was a highly recruited guy expected to play. A serviceable guard with an injury issue. Two guys who were never supposed to see the field at center and the other guard. And a transfer from Fordham who plays tackle (from FCS to SEC mind you) and slides to guard at times. All backed up by three true freshman who play heavily.

So, its up to you to determine if that's what you would want going into a season.

Oh, then put a redshirt freshman first year starter at QB behind that line
 
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Sarms58 said:
That was a preseason piece....their two deep against us was:

LT: 78 David Sharpe (SO), 73 Martez Ivey (FR)
LG: 63 Trip Thurman (RS SR), 52 Travaris Dorsey (RS FR)
C: 54 Cam Dillard (RS SO), 64 Tyler Jordan (FR)
RG: 71 Antonio Riles (RS SO), 77 Andrew Mike (RS FR)
RT: 75 Mason Halter (SR), 74 Fred Johnson (FR)
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the Fordham transfer halter has been pretty dang good

Signed like 6 freshmen got another transfer from mc state

That's 8 guys Mac had to land to get numbers up
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
There's a couple positions I would debate that

Basically every position on offense prior to the game being played
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Let's start with OL...

Everyone of our starting lineman was a 3* player, the only 4* player we have in our two deep is Jack Jones, a true freshman.

David Sharp is a 4*, Trip Thurman is a 4*, Mason Halter is a Two Time All American transfer from Fordham RS Sr.....You have a 5* freshman in Ivey...

Who exactly would you hand pick from our roster to replace your guys with?
 
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Butch Jones' Net Worth: Butch Jones is an American head football coach who has a net worth of $15 million and annual salary of $3.085 million.

Jim McElwain's Net Worth: Estimated to be in the range of approximately $2,490,536 in 2015
 
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