McElWain canned for cause, can we use the same "cause?"

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Jaws said:
Actually, my understanding is that Mac's agent is trying to avoid the "fired with cause" language to avoid Mac having to deal with that for his next job. That's part of why they will settle for way less than 12.9 million.
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That's EXACTLY why he will settle for less. FALSELY accusing your fan base of threatening to kill you & your family absolutely satisfies something in most any contract as to "cause", whether it be "moral turpitude", "deceit", or any such boilerplate "cause" language. Mac doesn't necessarily lose in Court at the end off the day, but no way he and his agent even go down that lengthy litigation road if he wants another job anytime soon. Both sides will negotiate promptly and move on. IMO, 50% or $6m max.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
I would be leery of taking a coaching position at Florida after the way they fired MacE. With that interpretation, you would never be allowed to BS or embellish anything!
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Typically it's not a good idea to blindside your superiors by embellishing stories about players receiving death threats without proof, when you're responsible for those players, the university has an obligation to keep those players safe.

McElwain's lie rises above fudging an expense report or taking home paper clips from the company's office supply room.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Typically it's not a good idea to blindside your superiors by embellishing stories about players receiving death threats without proof, when you're responsible for those players, the university has an obligation to keep those players safe.

McElwain's lie rises above fudging an expense report or taking home paper clips from the company's office supply room.
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:eek:lol:
 
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Orange Death said:
There's no reason for someone to make up death threat claims. You know that stuff happens all the time. UF just didn't want to pay the cash. Sure, he probably didn't prove it to them. CJM strikes me a dude who would rather leave it buried then drag his family through it.

You're telling me UF fans DIDN'T send him death threats? Have you met them?
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I have a professional career in the hunting industry and I have received death threats for me and death wishes upon my children from anti-hunters. I laughed them off, so I could see that happening to CJMc and him just blowing it off.
 
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Jake said:
I have a professional career in the hunting industry and I have received death threats for me and death wishes upon my children from anti-hunters. I laughed them off, so I could see that happening to CJMc and him just blowing it off.
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How you handle death threats against your own family versus how you handle death threats against 85 scholarship student-athletes whose families entrust you to look out for their safety are two completely different situation.

Mac wasn’t in a position to “blow off” threats against his players, because he has the players’ families to answer to.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
How you handle death threats against your own family versus how you handle death threats against 85 scholarship student-athletes whose families entrust you to look out for their safety are two completely different situations.
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Do you have children? I’m betting not.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You lost that bet.

I would never laugh off a death threat against my daughter, and she’s 28 years old with a license to carry.
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Then why on earth would you lessen the value of a death threat on your family opposed to 85 student athletes? That’s ridiculous.

There are “death threats” and there are “DEATH THREATS”....have you ever experienced one?
 
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Jake said:
Then why on earth would you lessen the value of a death threat on your family opposed to 85 student athletes? That’s ridiculous.

There are “death threats” and there are “DEATH THREATS”....have you ever experienced one?
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I never placed “ greater value” on one death threat versus another...only said they were different situations.

McElwain’s obligation to his employer and his players put him in a position to where he has to take death threats seriously. He can’t just blow them off.

If you want to blow off a death threat against your family, only your family is potentially affected.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I never placed “ greater value” on one death threat versus another...only said they were different situations.

McElwain’s obligation to his employer and his players put him in a position to where he has to take death threats seriously. He can’t just blow them off.

If you want to blow off a death threat against your family, only your family is potentially affected.
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As I said, there are “death threats” and there are “DEATH THREATS”...

Have you ever experienced one???

Fact is, neither of us knows the details about the so-called “death threats”....but UF used it as a scape goat to dump Coach Mac with cause so they wouldn’t have to pay his buyout. Period. The timing was perfect. Lucky you.
 
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Jake said:
I have a professional career in the hunting industry and I have received death threats for me and death wishes upon my children from anti-hunters. I laughed them off, so I could see that happening to CJMc and him just blowing it off.
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He clarified the next day, at least from my watching the video that he was talking about threats that happened in the past. They let him coach all last week and the game after knowing these facts, as they really didn't have "cause". The fans just have buyer's remorse, some of them like the one you are apparently arguing with goes to very extremes to not only stretch the truth but also disregard a contract to justify their wanting to win so badly.

(suggestion, put them on ignore, chances are your life will be better)

The fact is they didn't have cause, I have seen no evidence that they fired him or he has been fired for cause... the announcement is only a mutual agreement to separate - that came from the school. At this point, anyone with any business experience will tell you that is not a good look for the school as they are forcing out a coach who has a bad record and it still has the perception that they don't want to pay him.

LSU fired Les, they have a contract... LSU should pay the man.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He clarified the next day, at least from my watching the video that he was talking about threats that happened in the past. They let him coach all last week and the game after knowing these facts, as they really didn't have "cause". The fans just have buyer's remorse, some of them like the one you are apparently arguing with goes to very extremes to not only stretch the truth but also disregard a contract to justify their wanting to win so badly.

(suggestion, put them on ignore, chances are your life will be better)

The fact is they didn't have cause, I have seen no evidence that they fired him or he has been fired for cause... the announcement is only a mutual agreement to separate - that came from the school. At this point, anyone with any business experience will tell you that is not a good look for the school as they are forcing out a coach who has a bad record and it still has the perception that they don't want to pay him.

LSU fired Les, they have a contract... LSU should pay the man.
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I agree. I get what LW is saying, I just don’t think (IMO), that the “death threat” was a serious threat...or Coach Mac would’ve handled it differently. Then he brought it up, and boom...it imploded in his face.

LW hasn’t said anything to deserve the ignore yet, he’s just arguing with semantics and his personal opinions...I rarely converse with him anyway.
 
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Jake said:
I agree.
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The problem is insane fans and it doesn't matter whether they are from LSU, Florida or Tennessee - go to such extremes all for "winning".

What is strange is, I am defending a Shark man I can't stand. :eek:lol: He's a complete ass, but somehow these Florida fans are so extreme that they actually make me feel sorry the little shark humper. :)

If I'm Dan Mullen right now, I am thinking $10m plus a year for 8-10 years, iron clad buyout of a huge amount.
 
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Jake said:
As I said, there are “death threats” and there are “DEATH THREATS”...

Have you ever experienced one???

Fact is, neither of us knows the details about the so-called “death threats”....but UF used it as a scape goat to dump Coach Mac with cause so they wouldn’t have to pay his buyout. Period. The timing was perfect. Lucky you.
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The fact that neither of us know the nature and credibility of the death threats is precisely why McElwain got canned, minus $7-8 million less than he should have left Gainesville with.

I can't help it if you don't understand the obligation of someone responsible for 85 scholarship football players versus you not caring about what could be a credible threat against your family.

Ignore a threat against your family and something happens to your kid, you have your wife to answer to.

Ignore a threat against a player and something happens, you have your employer and someone else's family to answer to.

And for the record, I would take any threat against my life or my family's life seriously.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The problem is insane fans and it doesn't matter whether they are from LSU, Florida or Tennessee - go to such extremes all for "winning".

What is strange is, I am defending a Shark man I can't stand. :eek:lol: He's a complete ass, but somehow these Florida fans are so extreme that actually make me feel sorry the little shark humper. :)
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Exactly right. I live in Fort Collins, and I actually know Coach Mac on a personal basis from his tenure at Colorado State. I own a bar here and he used to frequent my bar all the time, and we talked several times about SEC and CSU football. He used to call me “Third Saturday in October” referring to his Bama day’s. Lol

I like Coach Mac and I actually thought he was going to do well at UF, because of how and what he did at CSU. He was phenomenal here. But I was wrong.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
The fact that neither of us know the nature and credibility of the death threats is precisely why McElwain got canned, minus $7-8 million less than he should have left Gainesville with.

I can't help it if you don't understand the obligation of someone responsible for 85 scholarship football players versus you not caring about what might very well be a credible against your family.

Ignore a threat against your family and something happens to your kid, you have your wife to answer to.

Ignore a threat against a player and something happens, you have your employer and someone else's family to answer to.

And for the record, I would take any threat against my life or my family's life seriously.
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Ok, whatever.
 
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Jake said:
I like Coach Mac and I actually thought he was going to do well at UF, because of how and what he did at CSU. He was phenomenal here. But I was wrong.
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Technically, he didn't do bad... he actually has a better record at Florida than he did at Colorado State, and back to back East titles.

CS
22–16
14–10
UF
22–12
16–8
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Technically, he didn't do bad... he actually has a better record at Florida than he did at Colorado State, and back to back East titles.

CS
22–16
14–10
UF
22–12
16–8
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Problem is...he was trending up when he left CSU. He was trending down at UF.
 
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Jake said:
Problem is...he was trending up when he left CSU. He was trending down at UF.
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Oh don't get me wrong at all, I agree :hi: there which is why they wanted him gone. It wasn't working, it has nothing to do with some silly threat comment. If he was winning, these fans wouldn't be saying a thing about him.

I guess I still like Les, he needed to be gone, and at times I wanted to kick him in the nuts... but you know... he is a pretty good guy. A business decision is a business decision, the problem is the appear to be making an emotional decision when its really a business decision. Pay the man.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Oh don't get me wrong at all, I agree :hi: there which is why they wanted him gone. It wasn't working, it has nothing to do with some silly threat comment. If he was winning, these fans wouldn't be saying a thing about him.
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Precisely.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Typically it's not a good idea to blindside your superiors by embellishing stories about players receiving death threats without proof, when you're responsible for those players, the university has an obligation to keep those players safe.

McElwain's lie rises above fudging an expense report or taking home paper clips from the company's office supply room.
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And worse, Mac chose to act like a complete ass to his bosses (the AD and President) when they had the audacity to follow up on the extremely serious comment "my players and family are receiving death threats."

Instead of Mac saying "ya know guys, it was a stream-of-consciousness statement, anecdotal stuff, I should not have said it, I apologize and I'll make it right," he chose to clam-up and take the tough guy "I don't care to elaborate" approach. And at that point, Mac is smart enough to realize the relationship was irreparable and his days were numbered. He and Sexton also realize that they don't want to get into a drawn-out legal battle over substantiating death threats to rebut 'cause'. Bottom line, as a head coach at a major University, making millions of dollars, if you say something that alarming, you best be able to prove it (see Sumlin's situation where they produced an actual racist/threatening letter).
 
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Jake said:
I agree. I get what LW is saying, I just don’t think (IMO), that the “death threat” was a serious threat...or Coach Mac would’ve handled it differently. Then he brought it up, and boom...it imploded in his face.
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Mac doesn't get to determine whether or not a threat is credible. He's obligated to report it to the university first, not the media, regardless if the threat is worthy of all caps or lower case.

And I agree this isn't an issue if UF is 7-0, because Mac wouldn't have to make up fake death threats as a smokescreen for stinking it up on the field.
 
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