Max Gilbert appreciation thread

#51
#51
Being a kicker brings the glory and the blame. Max had a big chance to be a hero forever as a Tennessee boy vs. Georgia and choked. Be a hero not a zero. He is getting paid and missed a few other opportunities and we are talking 40 yarders not a 50 yarder or further and the kid didn't come through. I am glad he is gone as he did it again vs. Illinois. Wish ya the best bud.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
He didn’t cost us the OU game anymore than Sanders doing the wrong assignment and then OU getting the scoop and score . BTW if Sanders makes that block it’s an easy score for Mike Matthews, we go up 14-0 and we probably build on that momentum and run them out of Neyland. He didn’t cost us the UGA game when we had more than about 10 chances to win that game. He’s one of 24 guys that play a part. Sure, he contributed, but he’s far from the only reason .
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Exactly. How is a 3 point missed FG more “costly” than a 7 point scoop & score? 3 guys messed up on that play (Sanders missed the block, Joey put the ball on the ground, Kitselman didn’t tackle the returner). OK also got 6 MORE points off JA’s interceptions In that game. 13 points off QB TOs but the 3 we didn’t get cost us a 6 points loss?

Another 7 point scoop and score against ILL but the FG lost the game?
 
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Big Orange Captain said:
These kids are paid now like professionals so we should get to criticize them when it’s warranted. He had one job and he couldn’t perform in the big moments. He would’ve never kicked again after that Georgia choke job he pulled if i was the coach. He quite possibly costed us the Oklahoma game too and of course misses one against Illinois. He missed like 4 against Kentucky last season fortunately we still won. Yea he had to go and i won’t miss him.
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It's one thing to criticize his kicking ability, that's completely fair game. It's another thing to degrade the person on social media especially when they are barely even adults. Not saying you did any of that but I definitely saw it by others.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You probably suck at something too. Should we start a post everytime you f up? Should we call your significant other to see how you disappointed them today?
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Kid seems like a good guy and should not be attacked personally. But he, like the rest of them, is a paid professional and subject to criticism. You don’t think an NFL player who misses key kicks doesn’t get criticized? Please. And, if you are Heupel, are you willing to go into next season risking the same scenario? No. This is the new world. Perform or get gone. Get used to it.

In answer to your question, when folks start paying $200 a ticket to watch me F up, feel free to start a thread.
 
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I always felt like the missed fg against Georgia gave fans an easy punching bag while ignoring the other factors that cost us that game. We had other chances to win that game but didn't execute on those : we could have not allowed Georgia to score on a deep throw in the end zone , we could have stopped a 2 pt attempt after the TD, we could have scored a TD in OT instead of a FG, we could have tried to score after the late fumble recovery instead of trying to run out the clock. We only remember the missed FG.
 
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Tenacjim said:
Exactly. How is a 3 point missed FG more “costly” than a 7 point scoop & score? 3 guys messed up on that play (Sanders missed the block, Joey put the ball on the ground, Kitselman didn’t tackle the returner). OK also got 6 MORE points off JA’s interceptions In that game. 13 points off QB TOs but the 3 we didn’t get cost us a 6 points loss?

Another 7 point scoop and score against ILL but the FG lost the game?
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yeah the missed field goal lost the game against Georgia and Illinois. you execute that field goal and all the other stuff goes away.

this is EXACTLY like missing free throws in basketball. a field goal is a crack at free points for your offense. if you go 1-10 at the free throw line and lose by 8 points then all the other stuff you did wrong doesn't matter. you missed the free points that if executed correctly would have made all the other stuff a moot point.

yeah it's a crappy position to be either a hero or a zero but you know what, kickers also have the least physically demanding job on a football field.

which is harder, kicking a 50 yard field goal or throwing a 50 yard touchdown pass or rushing a 50 yard touchdown through the defensive lines? You have the easieat job in all of college football IF you execute.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
yeah the missed field goal lost the game against Georgia and Illinois. you execute that field goal and all the other stuff goes away.

this is EXACTLY like missing free throws in basketball. a field goal is a crack at free points for your offense. if you go 1-10 at the free throw line and lose by 8 points then all the other stuff you did wrong doesn't matter. you missed the free points that if executed correctly would have made all the other stuff a moot point.

yeah it's a crappy position to be either a hero or a zero but you know what, kickers also have the least physically demanding job on a football field.

which is harder, kicking a 50 yard field goal or throwing a 50 yard touchdown pass or rushing a 50 yard touchdown through the defensive lines? You have the easieat job in all of college football IF you execute.
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Well, we are going to have to disagree on the comparison that FGs and FTs are EXACTLY the same. FTs are awarded due to fouls by the defense and are an unguarded play with no clock running. FGs are a consolation play made after previous plays have failed to achieve the desired result (in most cases). They are live ball plays with a defense on the field actively trying to stop you. Although rare, blocks DO occur. In the case of the Illinois game, the FG miss happened right after a dropped pass That should have been a 1st down.

All the other stuff you do doesn’t magically just ”go away” either. The scoop and score against Illinois happened AFTER the missed FG. The game was tied when the FG was missed. Events that happened after the missed FG were the cause of the loss. The missed FG was a contributing factor. If we had hit the FG and Illinois needed a TD on the last drive, they most likely get it as they had 1st and goal on the 6 with 1:30 and a TO.

You also can’t assume FTs or FGs will be made at a 100% clip. More like 70-75% for both. If you go 7/10 in that same basketball game and lose by 2 was it the missed FTs or because you went 2/10 from 3? Or the other team went 8/10 from 3?

Points are points and failing to make 3 “free” ones is not more impactful than giving away 7 “not free” ones AFTER you failed to get the 3 free ones……

Every game the missed FG supposedly ”lost”, we had a lead in after the missed FG.
 
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Tenacjim said:
Well, we are going to have to disagree on the comparison that FGs and FTs are EXACTLY the same. FTs are awarded due to fouls by the defense and are an unguarded play with no clock running. FGs are a consolation play made after previous plays have failed to achieve the desired result (in most cases). They are live ball plays with a defense on the field actively trying to stop you. Although rare, blocks DO occur. In the case of the Illinois game, the FG miss happened right after a dropped pass That should have been a 1st down.

All the other stuff you do doesn’t magically just ”go away” either. The scoop and score against Illinois happened AFTER the missed FG. The game was tied when the FG was missed. Events that happened after the missed FG were the cause of the loss. The missed FG was a contributing factor. If we had hit the FG and Illinois needed a TD on the last drive, they most likely get it as they had 1st and goal on the 6 with 1:30 and a TO.

You also can’t assume FTs or FGs will be made at a 100% clip. More like 70-75% for both. If you go 7/10 in that same basketball game and lose by 2 was it the missed FTs or because you went 2/10 from 3? Or the other team went 8/10 from 3?

Points are points and failing to make 3 “free” ones is not more impactful than giving away 7 “not free” ones AFTER you failed to get the 3 free ones……

Every game the missed FG supposedly ”lost”, we had a lead in after the missed FG.
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field goals are the easiest points in college football. with a kicker that can execute they are basically like free points. this is why the top 50 leaders in scoring in the NFL and NCAA are all kickers. Not to mention most kickers almost never get touched physically. never have to endure a tackle or hard hit, never have to throw a pass into a good defense or make a catch while getting blasted by the defense.

the job of a kicker is so so so much easier than any other players on the field. so when other players play 50 snaps every game against players who are just as good as they are, yeah you should expect some failure as a part of the game. But kickers play only a few snaps per game and are mostly never touched. they literally just have to do the one job they have.
 
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Saw his family before the bowl game and it makes you realize they're still young humans out there playing a game. My kids play sports I can't imagine what it's like to sit in the stands and hear some of the things said about your child by fans of the same team. He had a rough season and it's probably a good time to move on but I wish him no ill will
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
field goals are the easiest points in college football. with a kicker that can execute they are basically like free points. this is why the top 50 leaders in scoring in the NFL and NCAA are all kickers. Not to mention most kickers almost never get touched physically. never have to endure a tackle or hard hit, never have to throw a pass into a good defense or make a catch while getting blasted by the defense.

the job of a kicker is so so so much easier than any other players on the field. so when other players play 50 snaps every game against players who are just as good as they are, yeah you should expect some failure as a part of the game. But kickers play only a few snaps per game and are mostly never touched. they literally just have to do the one job they have.
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All that is true. At the end of the day, Max was sub standard. But that doesn’t mean at the end of the day points he gets or doesn’t get are more valuable than those harder to achieve. If anyone is insistent upon blaming one play for the Illinois loss, it’s the 7 point scoop and score, not the 3 point missed FG. Personally, IMO neither were the sole cause. Illinois was doing whatever they wanted in the 4th quarter and would have scored whatever they needed in that last drive to win.

Now maybe if Max hits the FG AND we don’t have the scoop and score it’s a different story.

Teams win and teams lose. You could easily pin 3 losses directly on Joey. He has the hardest job and had a tumor. The line contributed but the ball was in his hands. Fair? Likely not, but true.

Plenty of blame for the entire team. But at this point , is “blaming” anyone ( especially people who have moved on) worthwhile?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You probably suck at something too. Should we start a post everytime you f up? Should we call your significant other to see how you disappointed them today?
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You don’t work? You get paid to do a job and when you screw up, someone eats the cost. If you’re not the one eating the loss, then you’re the one getting your ass chewed or fired.

Some of you must not have real jobs?
 
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Tenacjim said:
All that is true. At the end of the day, Max was sub standard. But that doesn’t mean at the end of the day points he gets or doesn’t get are more valuable than those harder to achieve. If anyone is insistent upon blaming one play for the Illinois loss, it’s the 7 point scoop and score, not the 3 point missed FG. Personally, IMO neither were the sole cause. Illinois was doing whatever they wanted in the 4th quarter and would have scored whatever they needed in that last drive to win.

Now maybe if Max hits the FG AND we don’t have the scoop and score it’s a different story.

Teams win and teams lose. You could easily pin 3 losses directly on Joey. He has the hardest job and had a tumor. The line contributed but the ball was in his hands. Fair? Likely not, but true.

Plenty of blame for the entire team. But at this point , is “blaming” anyone ( especially people who have moved on) worthwhile?
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having an offensive line play 50 snaps and occasionally they let the defense get a sack or fumble is much easier to swallow. having a QB throw 50 times in a game and on occasion he throws a pick is much easier to swallow because their jobs are much much harder. you simply cannot miss high leverage kicks. you can't because the effort-to-reward ratio is way lower.

just like in basketball you cannot be caught losing because you can't hit free throws. if you lose, it better be because of something way harder (like hitting defended 3 pointers). in football you cannot be caught losing because you can't kick field goals.

It is what it is and it seems like Heupel understands that he can't get caught hanging in the breeze with a bad kicker. there are certain things teams just need to have and a reliable kicker is one of them.

Tennessee has lots of issues outside of kicker, but those issues are much more explanable and also much much harder to fix. and when you can directly do the math and point out missed field goals as being the difference in the score it's impossible to ignore that because as the kicker you have the easiest way to score points on the field.
 
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Big Orange Captain said:
He sucked, glad he’s gone
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Yeah but the fans that put embarrassing and irrational MAD responses out there instead of rational SAD or SICK responses are still here. All can be comprehensively factual.

The whole fanbase is guilty by association with the meltdown crowd.

Someone felt compelled to apologize for it, but you could not let that fly.
 
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