Martin really isn't that bad

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cncchris33 said:
Martin has both a 20-win and 19-win season to his record at UT. Peterson's high-water mark was 17 wins. He also had a losing season in year one.

Both followed successful periods in UT basketball, so I'd say you're either giving Buzz way to much credit, or not giving Zo nearly enough.
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Yeah, he's slightly better. Neither have worked wonders here, nor made the tournament. Buzz's time at Appy State was comparable to Martin's Missouri accomplishments.
 
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Unimane said:
Yeah, he's slightly better. Neither have worked wonders here, nor made the tournament. Buzz's time at Appy State was comparable to Martin's Missouri accomplishments.
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Given a choice between the two, I'd take Martin 11 times out of 10, and I'm not even a huge fan of Martin's style thus far. He's simply produced significantly more on the court and in recruiting after facing a tougher hill to climb. Probably more of an indictment of Buzz than a credit to Martin.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Given a choice between the two, I'd take Martin 11 times out of 10, and I'm not even a huge fan of Martin's style thus far. He's simply produced significantly more on the court and in recruiting after facing a tougher hill to climb. Probably more of an indictment of Buzz than a credit to Martin.
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This is my biggest concern so far too. I hope CCM can learn to make offensive adjustments and get his guys to go balls out from the tip, instead of when their back is against it. Because the players seem to love him, and for not having any post season success so far in his career he does a pretty decent job on the recruiting trail. IMO
 
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GoobieVol said:
This is my biggest concern so far too. I hope CCM can learn to make offensive adjustments and get his guys to go balls out from the tip, instead of when their back is against it. Because the players seem to love him, and for not having any post season success so far in his career he does a pretty decent job on the recruiting trail. IMO
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Yeah, not signing any top 100 talent this year is a great indicator of success.
 
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He might not be that bad, but he for sure is not GOOD..at least not for our Vols! You lose to glorified HS bball teams two years in a row in the NIT....Im sorry but Martin is not the guy to lead us back to the promised land.
 
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For the record, I hope Coach Martin turns it around and starts a long string of success...THIS YEAR....it's all in front of him to grab...but if the tank job at crunch time resumes....we're looking for a new coach....won't be fun and I hate starting over but the writing's on the wall
 
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D.C. Vol said:
Out of Rivals, Scout, 247 and ESPN, Phil only comes in as high as 100th on ESPN Recruiting Nation. His commulative ranking has him on the outside looking in.
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Nowhere in your OP did you say "commulative ranking", you said we didn't sign a top 100 player, I was simply correcting you. Surely you're used to that by now.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Nowhere in your OP did you say "commulative ranking", you said we didn't sign a top 100 player, I was simply correcting you. Surely you're used to that by now.
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It didn't need to. When only one of the 4 major recruiting services has him inside of the top 100, common sense would indicate he simply isn't a top 100 player. Try again.
 
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Is it not obvious that DC is a troll? I've got 2 people on block. Him and BOP and I'm starting to think they are the same poster.
 
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D.C. Vol said:
It didn't need to. When only one of the 4 major recruiting services has him outside of the top 100, common sense would indicate he simply isn't a top 100 player. Try again.
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You may want to reread what you just wrote, considering it proves BTOs point. Just a heads up.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Nowhere in your OP did you say "commulative ranking", you said we didn't sign a top 100 player, I was simply correcting you. Surely you're used to that by now.
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It wouldn't matter. The number 100 was selected on purpose. If we had 4 guys ranked 99 98 97 96 he would have said top 75.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
It wouldn't matter. The number 100 was selected on purpose. If we had 4 guys ranked 99 98 97 96 he would have said top 75.
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Regardless, it does bring up an important point, whether or not Martin is recruiting talent that will be effective replacements for next year's roster losses. The fact that there's an argument going on about one kid who may or may not be a top 100 player tells me no, especially since we are losing McRae, Maymon, Barton and, possibly, Stokes (even if it would be a bad idea for him).
 
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Unimane said:
Regardless, it does bring up an important point, whether or not Martin is recruiting talent that will be effective replacements for next year's roster losses. The fact that there's an argument going on about one kid who may or may not be a top 100 player tells me no, especially since we are losing McRae, Maymon, Barton and, possibly, Stokes (even if it would be a bad idea for him).
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Not that it will matter to you but Austin is also top 100 by 247. Both are just outside 100 on rivals. And we all know how different #99 and #113 are. :/

I was hoping for that signature piece to the signing class. I really was impressed we stayed in it for the 5* guys til the end. My hope is that after this season CCM will have the ability to land more 4* top 50-75 guys.
 
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What's lost in all of this chatter is the fact Half Season has enough trouble trying to win with a handful of top 75 players as is (two of whom were 5 star talents). Imagine what we'll look like in the interior after Stokes and Maymon depart this year.....
 
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D.C. Vol said:
What's lost in all of this chatter is the fact Half Season has enough trouble trying to win with a handful of top 75 players as is (two of whom were 5 star talents). Imagine what we'll look like in the interior after Stokes and Maymon depart this year.....
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as you can see there are many of us concerned about the future of our program and if CM can and will make adjustments but you are turning into the little brat in the back seat that won't stfu. Remind me not to get stuck in a dire situation with you.
no offense.
 
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