Martin really isn't that bad

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bleedingTNorange said:
If you have a lottery pick on your team capable of taking over you can make the dance. I'm not saying Hubbs will be that guy, but if he becomes that next year we'll be just fine.

Also, who thought this time last year Barton would be on this years team? A graduate transfer or two could change the entire complexion of next years team.
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I don't know if Hubbs is a lottery player, but he's a possible first rounder. Relying on a grad transfer is an iffy and usually fruitless proposition.
 
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Unimane said:
Saw Austin at a some summer tournament in Mequon, WI while visiting a friend of mine who's a DIII coach in Wisconsin and went to school at Concordia there. I saw Cofer last season when in Atlanta. I can't remember the opponent or how I ended up watching him, though.

They were both nice players, but not game changers. They need people around them.
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Like Hubbs Thompson and Richardson :)
 
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Unimane said:
I don't know if Hubbs is a lottery player, but he's a possible first rounder. Relying on a grad transfer is an iffy and usually fruitless proposition.
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The grad transfers are huge in today's college basketball. Obviously, you won't know who is leaving until the end of the year, but it has become important. You won't have big-time players do it because they aren't around for 4 years, but there are nice players that can be instrumental for a team- a 6th man or help at a certain position. That has changed the game.
 
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Unimane said:
I don't know if Hubbs is a lottery player, but he's a possible first rounder. Relying on a grad transfer is an iffy and usually fruitless proposition.
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I didn't say rely on it, you missed the point.

The point is that it's too early to truly get a good read on next years team. When you have impact JUCOs coming out every year, grad transfers, and decommits in the spring after coaching changes there's a lot that could happen between now and tip off next season to change the perception of our roster.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't say rely on it, you missed the point.

The point is that it's too early to truly get a good read on next years team. When you have impact JUCOs coming out every year, grad transfers, and decommits in the spring after coaching changes there's a lot that could happen between now and tip off next season to change the perception of our roster.
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Still playing with fire. We ended up with Ndiaye last spring when we went shopping for bigs in the JUCO. Waiting until spring usually gets you some spare parts, but rarely do you pick up major players in the short term in spring and a coach definitely shouldn't rely upon it.
 
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Unimane said:
Still playing with fire. We ended up with Ndiaye last spring when we went shopping for bigs in the JUCO. Waiting until spring usually gets you some spare parts, but rarely do you pick up major players in the short term in spring and a coach definitely shouldn't rely upon it.
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Unless he already aware of someone, I know it seems impossible that a coach has a plan, but you'd be surprised.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Unless he already aware of someone, I know it seems impossible that a coach has a plan, but you'd be surprised.
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Isn't the argument that something could open up in spring and you just have to wait and see? You really think Martin had some kind of master plan that Barton would be lying around in the spring? Besides, if the plan is to end up with players like Ndiaye, then it's not a great plan.
 
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Unimane said:
Isn't the argument that something could open up in spring and you just have to wait and see? You really think Martin had some kind of master plan that Barton would be lying around in the spring? Besides, if the plan is to end up with players like Ndiaye, then it's not a great plan.
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I didn't say specifically graduate transfer, you continue to miss the point. EVERY single spring there are unexpected things that happen, players become available, JUCOs emerge, and guys transfer.

To write off next years team with there still being a lot of uncertainty about the actual roster is idiotic, and that's putting it nicely.
 
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Unimane said:
Isn't the argument that something could open up in spring and you just have to wait and see? You really think Martin had some kind of master plan that Barton would be lying around in the spring? Besides, if the plan is to end up with players like Ndiaye, then it's not a great plan.
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No, but I'm guessing his master plan was that he would have his three year returning starter at PG, Trae Golden. I think you're missing the point the poster is trying to make. It's not reliance. It's the fact that certain things happen. Things change. What does t look incredible at this point, doesn't mean that that can't change later.
 
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oldsmokey67 said:
there's too much talent on that team for it to be wasted in another nit.
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3 games in and people already have us in the NIT. It's going to be a packed NIT bracket this year if you are already counting all the one loss teams in it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I didn't say specifically graduate transfer, you continue to miss the point. EVERY single spring there are unexpected things that happen, players become available, JUCOs emerge, and guys transfer.

To write off next years team with there still being a lot of uncertainty about the actual roster is idiotic, and that's putting it nicely.
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So, where's this plan that you talk about? Waiting until spring to find a prospect or two? Just because there are some guys available in the spring doesn't mean there's necessarily quality available and you continue to miss this point while pretending I'm the idiot.

I get it that you are the optimist for Martin to get it together and make a good roster with a good team. The problem is that there's not much evidence to back you up other than "well, things happen in the spring" and then rely on the usual hope that is afflicting Vol fans too often these days. It isn't some great mystery of mankind in looking ahead to next year's prospective roster and making some reasonable determinations.

I will give you this. I think this year's group Martin recruited is really good and I like them a lot.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
3 games in and people already have us in the NIT. It's going to be a packed NIT bracket this year if you are already counting all the one loss teams in it.
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People who don't watch CBB are the people who have us in the NIT already. They don't understand that pretty much no team, except for exceptions, are pretty in November. People don't understand you gotta give a team time to gel. This team, when it gets gelled, is going to be nasty. Also once Maymon gets back in game shape that will really help out the team. Right now he's just a figment of him self
 
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Unimane said:
So, where's this plan that you talk about? Waiting until spring to find a prospect or two? Just because there are some guys available in the spring doesn't mean there's necessarily quality available and you continue to miss this point while pretending I'm the idiot.

I get it that you are the optimist for Martin to get it together and make a good roster with a good team. The problem is that there's not much evidence to back you up other than "well, things happen in the spring" and then rely on the usual hope that is afflicting Vol fans too often these days. It isn't some great mystery of mankind in looking ahead to next year's prospective roster and making some reasonable determinations.

I will give you this. I think this year's group Martin recruited is really good and I like them a lot.
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When's the last fine there wasn't a single impact player come available in spring?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
When's the last fine there wasn't a single impact player come available in spring?
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There are significantly less promising prospects in the spring period, especially if you are relying on some random person to potentially pick up. It's a bad game plan to rely on the unknown spring pickup and it certainly has been hit or miss for Martin.
 
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Unimane said:
There are significantly less promising prospects in the spring period, especially if you are relying on some random person to potentially pick up. It's a bad game plan to rely on the unknown spring pickup and it certainly has been hit or miss for Martin.
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I agree, defintely not a good plan to rely on players in the spring. Will it happen this year? Probably. I don't think there will be more than a handful of promising prospects who haven't signed. I don't think Martin should sign a big just to sign one this spring, if they aren't proven I think we should hold off until we find someone who is proven. Hopefully someone transfers here
 
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Unimane said:
There are significantly less promising prospects in the spring period, especially if you are relying on some random person to potentially pick up. It's a bad game plan to rely on the unknown spring pickup and it certainly has been hit or miss for Martin.
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Not surprisingly you failed to answer my question.
 
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Unimane said:
I answered it just fine. You simply don't like my answer.
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I asked a simple question, you proved a paragraph response that never actually answered my question. Most call something like that ducking a question, do you take lessons from James Franklin?
 
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oldsmokey67 said:
there's too much talent on that team for it to be wasted in another nit.
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Yep. This is a very talented team. If Martin cannot take this group to the tourney and win a couple of games he will never will. If Bruce was coaching this talent TN would be an elite 8 yeam.
 
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Gramps said:
Yep. This is a very talented team. If Martin cannot take this group to the tourney and win a couple of games he will never will. If Bruce was coaching this talent TN would be an elite 8 yeam.
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If Bruce was coaching this talent, we'd be on probation, with probably a post season ban, because of his selfishness.
 
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