Marc Curles

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It's past time for the SEC to overhaul its approach to officiating. We area a big league with a lot of money and can afford an NFL level effort. While technically not full-time, NFL refs work from mid-May through the end of the NFL season. They spend extensive, ongoing time in the development of their craft. They are reviewed and evaluated after each game. Deficiencies are addressed. They have a base salary, benefits, and receive a per game payment on a sliding scale based on years of experience. Their average pay in 2019 was around $205,000. While they are allowed outside employment from the end of season to May dead period, this is their real job. The SEC can afford this approach.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The reason for the lengthy suspension in 2009 after the Arky-UF was to investigate gambling ties......

Granted, there was a lot of scrutiny of refs during that timeframe due to Tim Donaghy scandal.
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They brought up gambling ties because the calls they made were so obviously horrible.
 
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What is the name of the ref several years ago with huge glasses the CPF had banned from Neyland? He was bad, this cat is 1,000,000 times worse!
 
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If you want to see a rule change, this is the game for Hype to have our guys flop 10 times. National tv, bama, & St Nick would be all over Commissioner Stinky.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
He needs to be looked at to make sure he's not betting on these games
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Therein lies the rub. With online gambling so private and so big, how do you investigate them? Forcing officials to turn over all of their electronic devices for inspection is probably something that will never happen.
 
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OldVol said:
Therein lies the rub. With online gambling so private and so big, how do you investigate them? Forcing officials to turn over all of their electronic devices for inspection is probably something that will never happen.
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Yeah. It would have to turn into a criminal investigation so that bank records and other things are gathered via a warrant.
Right now, I don't think it'd get any traction.
 
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brockytop said:
I hope he’s better in church than on the football field.
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Not mentioning any names, but some guys go to church just to cover their dirt.

JMPO, SEC suits and zebras are crooked as a dog's hind legs.
 
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Just keep it up. Bludgeon the officiating and here is what you get. A shrinking number of high school officials, creating a shortage of those who remain an integral part of the interscholastic experience. A recent survey by the National Association of Sports Officials (NASO) reported more than 75 percent of all high school officials quit due to adult behavior and, furthermore, 80 percent of new officials step away after only two years of officiating.

Non-collegiate amateur officials watch TV. They know what they see is what they will be exposed to. They also read forums.
 
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The cultural thing that I personally find frustrating is that, in many respects, officiating in general has never been better than it is today. There are a lot of different ways that we have to communicate with people. A lot of our officials’ groups across the country have Facebook groups with officials constantly sharing plays, videos and rules questions. The community of officiating, in terms of how we’re communicating, educating and training has never been better.
 
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HarsinVol said:
The cultural thing that I personally find frustrating is that, in many respects, officiating in general has never been better than it is today. There are a lot of different ways that we have to communicate with people. A lot of our officials’ groups across the country have Facebook groups with officials constantly sharing plays, videos and rules questions. The community of officiating, in terms of how we’re communicating, educating and training has never been better.
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The officiating has been an abomination to the definition of officiating.
 
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HarsinVol said:
The cultural thing that I personally find frustrating is that, in many respects, officiating in general has never been better than it is today. There are a lot of different ways that we have to communicate with people. A lot of our officials’ groups across the country have Facebook groups with officials constantly sharing plays, videos and rules questions. The community of officiating, in terms of how we’re communicating, educating and training has never been better.
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Your defense simply sounds like excuses.

I'm sure there are plenty of officials who want to do it the best they can. Missed calls happen, nobody denies it. It sucks when it happens to your team but it's part of the game. Most will move on from a missed holding or PI call.

The issues being discussed aren't just "missed calls". They are egregious, game changing, boneheaded explanation type of calls that not only piss off the fan base of the team negatively affected, but can alter the landscape of the conference to where it seems, with good reason, that there may some bias or alternative reasoning for such stupid calls that a 12 year old could call correctly.

When it seems to happen consistently with the same official or against the same team, it's going to appear more than just a bad call.

Why are officials not held to the same standard as any other profession? Coaches may suck so bad at their job that they are removed from their job. Why aren't officials who suck at theirs?
 
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HarsinVol said:
The cultural thing that I personally find frustrating is that, in many respects, officiating in general has never been better than it is today. There are a lot of different ways that we have to communicate with people. A lot of our officials’ groups across the country have Facebook groups with officials constantly sharing plays, videos and rules questions. The community of officiating, in terms of how we’re communicating, educating and training has never been better.
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Maybe they should take a math class and learn how to count.
I hear Penn State has math classes, probably so they can count the number of teams in the Big10
 
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PandamoniumReigns said:
Your defense simply sounds like excuses.
Why are officials not held to the same standard as any other profession? Coaches may suck so bad at their job that they are removed from their job. Why aren't officials who suck at theirs?
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You don't understand the system that produces sports officials. Getting new officials on the field, court and mat is going to be the most effective training they receive. Although the classroom has its place for training, in my experience it’s important within that first hour to have prospective officials on the competition surface to run through positioning, mechanics and basic fundamentals.
 
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Fightmaker said:
The officiating has been an abomination to the definition of officiating.
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No it hasn't, overall, as with anything in life, if you want to learn how to get better, it’s not sitting and listening to someone talk about it, it’s getting out there and receiving that real-world experience where you can immediately go through some trial and error.

Before you call out my creds, I have officiated over 750 games within too many years to count. A dozen sports including gender variations. I owned and assigned sports officials for years. Sports officiating is so much more difficult than the typical "fan" thinks...many of which have never and will never officiate one damn thing.
 
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HarsinVol said:
No it hasn't, overall, as with anything in life, if you want to learn how to get better, it’s not sitting and listening to someone talk about it, it’s getting out there and receiving that real-world experience where you can immediately go through some trial and error.

Before you call out my creds, I have officiated over 750 games within too many years to count. A dozen sports including gender variations. I owned and assigned sports officials for years. Sports officiating is so much more difficult than the typical "fan" thinks...many of which have never and will never officiating one damn thing.
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I literally don't care what you say, counting is not difficult. And they can't do that. It used to be something that would stick around on the highlight reels for years. Now it is a yearly occurrence.
 
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HarsinVol said:
No it hasn't, overall, as with anything in life, if you want to learn how to get better, it’s not sitting and listening to someone talk about it, it’s getting out there and receiving that real-world experience where you can immediately go through some trial and error.

Before you call out my creds, I have officiated over 750 games within too many years to count. A dozen sports including gender variations. I owned and assigned sports officials for years. Sports officiating is so much more difficult than the typical "fan" thinks...many of which have never and will never officiate one damn thing.
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The example I’ve often used is how as a 4-sport athlete, I always had my next game to look forward to, and then again as a four-year athlete into my late teens and early 20s. For instance, a good friend, over the past 20 years, officiating college baseball, has given a 44-year-old guy with a wife, three kids and a job his next game to look forward to. That burning desire that we once had as athletes is something that officiating can keep going.
 
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HarsinVol said:
You don't understand the system that produces sports officials. Getting new officials on the field, court and mat is going to be the most effective training they receive. Although the classroom has its place for training, in my experience it’s important within that first hour to have prospective officials on the competition surface to run through positioning, mechanics and basic fundamentals.
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You shouldn't be so quick to try and discredit what posters may or may not know. I'll leave that statement at that.

Kudos to you for officiating 750+ games. I'm sure you attempted to handle your duties with integrity.

Agree that experience is vital. But when experience shows that someone is either a.) Horrific at their job with no real reason to think they will improve. Or b.) For lack of a better word-corrupt or c.) Lacks the mental aptitude to do the job well.....then you cut ties and tell them to go find a new profession.

Simply because one wears the sacred black and white stripes should not guarantee them immunity from their poor job function.

Why are you having trouble understanding that point?
 
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HarsinVol said:
Just keep it up. Bludgeon the officiating and here is what you get. A shrinking number of high school officials, creating a shortage of those who remain an integral part of the interscholastic experience. A recent survey by the National Association of Sports Officials (NASO) reported more than 75 percent of all high school officials quit due to adult behavior and, furthermore, 80 percent of new officials step away after only two years of officiating.

Non-collegiate amateur officials watch TV. They know what they see is what they will be exposed to. They also read forums.
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Appreciate the perspective, but this is a slippery slope fallacy. We are talking about a multi-million-dollar industry here. It’s like saying people will stop volunteering to run sound at church because fans complained about some egregious failure by the audio engineer at a Metallica show. Same job, entirely different contexts.
 
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I just threw up in my mouth glancing at the post titles and seeing this clowns name at the top again.
 
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