Mandatory Minimums

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red butler said:
The truth of the matter is the "too big to prosecute" bankers are 100 times more dangerous to you and I than the "low hanging fruit" criminals. Heck, I'd put some of those fraudsters up there with El Chapo on the dangerous to my family scale.
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And a lot are prosecuted. It's really not that big of a media circle jerk when it happens.
 
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tim said:
Breaking into your home is non violent. You think thats someone who needs to be free? I lived it chief. Theres no need to overthink things, bad guys need to be removed from society.
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I didn't realize we were talking about people committing property crimes.

I thought we were talking about non-violent drug offenders, for the most part.

I think everybody would agree that a burglar deserves jail time.

So, basically bringing up property crimes is a waste of time. Everybody agrees.
 
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tim said:
So you'd rather not know?
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I don't care if I know or not because it is meaningless. Your conviction rate is good/bad relative to the cases you've faced. You can't just look at a conviction rate and determine someone is good or bad at the job. You'd have to look on a case by case basis. A high conviction rate might mean they are terrible. A low one might mean they are terrible.
 
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tim said:
And a lot are prosecuted. It's really not that big of a media circle jerk when it happens.
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I did as you suggested and google banker arrested filtered for the last year. After searching 10 pages of bankers wanted for murder or arrested overseas, I found 1 instance of a banker arrested in Georgia and 1 of a guy ripping off an elderly client. Both were low level bankers.

Now look at the number of charges where banks have plead guilty and paid a fine for market rigging, money laundering, foreclosure abuses, etc. No one went to jail.

The point that makes me mad is we're discussing locking people up for petty crimes while the fraudsters that can bring this country to its' knees get a slap on the wrist. It happened in 2008 and it will happen again... because they haven't fixed anything and there are no consequences to change the behavior.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Yeah, and they are a huge failure in more ways than one as well. They succeed in locking up the bad guys forever. They also lock up some not so bad guys forever. That's a trade off that tyrants are fine with. People that value freedom, on the other hand, think it is an atrocity. Keep telling yourself you're one of the good ones. Nobody actually believes it, including yourself.
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Shouldn't the not so bad guys be able to keep from getting three strikes
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Last I knew speeding tickets aren't felonies.... If you're a convicted felon..... You're a criminal.... As a result you've forgeited your right to vote. You want to vote? Don't be s felon..... Or be on the government welfare train
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If welfare recipients lost their right to vote, I wonder what the DNC's interest in them would be. Or not be.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Here's an idea. Don't do the crime and you won't have to serve anytime. Crazy I know.
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Your definition of crime is far different than mine and others.

A guy smoking some reefer or selling loose cigarettes isn't a crime, to me. A crime is when an action results in a loss of or damage to property, life or limb.
 
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red butler said:
I did as you suggested and google banker arrested filtered for the last year. After searching 10 pages of bankers wanted for murder or arrested overseas, I found 1 instance of a banker arrested in Georgia and 1 of a guy ripping off an elderly client. Both were low level bankers.

Now look at the number of charges where banks have plead guilty and paid a fine for market rigging, money laundering, foreclosure abuses, etc. No one went to jail.

The point that makes me mad is we're discussing locking people up for petty crimes while the fraudsters that can bring this country to its' knees get a slap on the wrist. It happened in 2008 and it will happen again... because they haven't fixed anything and there are no consequences to change the behavior.
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:popcorn:
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Last I knew speeding tickets aren't felonies.... If you're a convicted felon..... You're a criminal.... As a result you've forgeited your right to vote. You want to vote? Don't be s felon..... Or be on the government welfare train
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How long has this been an accepted practice?
 
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red butler said:
I did as you suggested and google banker arrested filtered for the last year. After searching 10 pages of bankers wanted for murder or arrested overseas, I found 1 instance of a banker arrested in Georgia and 1 of a guy ripping off an elderly client. Both were low level bankers.

Now look at the number of charges where banks have plead guilty and paid a fine for market rigging, money laundering, foreclosure abuses, etc. No one went to jail.

The point that makes me mad is we're discussing locking people up for petty crimes while the fraudsters that can bring this country to its' knees get a slap on the wrist. It happened in 2008 and it will happen again... because they haven't fixed anything and there are no consequences to change the behavior.
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You'd have to start with the political class. And that ain't gonna happen.

Ras, what is your take on employer mandated drug tests?
 
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malinoisvol said:
You'd have to start with the political class. And that ain't gonna happen.
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You could kick out every politician in the country tomorrow and within a month the bankers would have the new ones in their pocket. The place to start is educating the masses on how the monetary system works. Ras posted a good video to start in the counterfeiting thread.
 
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red butler said:
You could kick out every politician in the country tomorrow and within a month the bankers would have the new ones in their pocket. The place to start is educating the masses on how the monetary system works. Ras posted a good video to start in the counterfeiting thread.
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Politicians control most of the education process to some degree, from funding to what is being taught. It's a chicken and egg debate. But, something needs to happen.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your definition of crime is far different than mine and others.

A guy smoking some reefer or selling loose cigarettes isn't a crime, to me. A crime is when an action results in a loss of or damage to property, life or limb.
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Devils advocate here..selling loose cigarettes is robbing the city/county/state whatever of tax revenue so they look at it as thievery even though most people don't look at it like that. Your definition of a crime is never going to hold water against the law's definition. In today's society we really aren't afforded the luxury to interpret laws as we see fit, it goes against the idea of a structured society.

The best course of action is to study up on judges before elections and stop voting for the ones that may rub you the wrong way. It isn't the best system in the world but its WAAAAY better than having justice doled out by someone who thinks god made them permanent ruler..
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Devils advocate here..selling loose cigarettes is robbing the city/county/state whatever of tax revenue so they look at it as thievery even though most people don't look at it like that. Your definition of a crime is never going to hold water against the law's definition. In today's society we really aren't afforded the luxury to interpret laws as we see fit, it goes against the idea of a structured society.

The best course of action is to study up on judges before elections and stop voting for the ones that may rub you the wrong way. It isn't the best system in the world but its WAAAAY better than having justice doled out by someone who thinks god made them permanent ruler..
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No it is not. He bought the cigarettes retail and paid the tax. Or, he went out of state and bought cigarettes there and sold them. Either way, the injustice that should be considered is not on the seller of cigarettes, but maybe on the high taxes that the govt is imposing on them in the first place, which in turn creates the black market.

Avoiding unjust taxes is as American as The Boston Tea Party.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
It isn't the best system in the world but its WAAAAY better than having justice doled out by someone who thinks god made them permanent ruler..
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Civil disobedience is also a way to combat he system. The state cannot afford to lock all of us up. You see that right now. How many more prisons are we going to build and how much more in taxes are we going to have to siphon off from taxpayers before the govt either goes broke or realizes that they have a limited ability to control these minor BS infractions?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Civil disobedience is also a way to combat he system. The state cannot afford to lock all of us up. You see that right now. How many more prisons are we going to build and how much more in taxes are we going to have to siphon off from taxpayers before the govt either goes broke or realizes that they have a limited ability to control these minor BS infractions?
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Careful. The FEMA camps haven't even opened up yet and they've got a lot of capacity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Hey smart ass... Malcolm X was able to legally carry a weapon after serving time for committing a felony. Also was able to keep his voting rights.

Stripping people of their rights after being released from jail is a recent phenomena tied in with this war on drugs.
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Hey dumb ass...... I don't care. If you're going to commit a felony then you deserve to have your voting priviledges taken..... I wonder how X was able to pull that off?...... Didn't work out so well for him afterwards.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Your definition of crime is far different than mine and others.

A guy smoking some reefer or selling loose cigarettes isn't a crime, to me. A crime is when an action results in a loss of or damage to property, life or limb.
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Selling loose cigarettes..... How many times are you gonna fall back and cry on this one? It wasn't just about the cigs Ras..... The dude was infringing on the store owner .... He didn't deserve to die.... We get it
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Hey dumb ass...... I don't care. If you're going to commit a felony then you deserve to have your voting priviledges taken..... I wonder how X was able to pull that off?...... Didn't work out so well for him afterwards.
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Taking gun rights and voting rights from felons is a recent phenomenon.
 
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