Mandatory Minimums

#76
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FLVOL_79 said:
Part of something being a felony means that you do more than serve jail time, you forfeit your rights. There are consequences to your actions. Until they aren't a crime maybe, and hang on for this mind blowing knowledge I'm about to drop, maybe, just maybe people should just not break the law. I know that could be asking a bit too much for people nowadays but hey one can dream right?

And most drug felonies are felonies because of quantity in possession, manufacture, and trafficking. Your average drug arrest isn't going to be a felony but a misdemeanor.
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I understand the whole law and order angle... but I've gotten to the point where I believe that this drug war is a sham and an assault on lower class street dealers and turns a blind eye towards the people up top that actually profit off of the drug trade and get away free. Hell, HSBC and Wachovia/Wells Fargo haven't had anyone arrested yet for laundering drug money or terrorist money, yet we throw away the keys on petty dealers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I understand the whole law and order angle... but I've gotten to the point where I believe that this drug war is a sham and an assault on lower class street dealers and turns a blind eye towards the people up top that actually profit off of the drug trade and get away free. Hell, HSBC and Wachovia/Wells Fargo haven't had anyone arrested yet for laundering drug money or terrorist money, yet we throw away the keys on petty dealers.
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My view is a little different. I think they should all be in prison.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Dont have pot then. Easy. I would say it would be a problem if addiction was involved but I know the pot mafia says addiction isn't a thing.

And dude..he had 5 pounds of pot..5 pounds.

Little excessive for personal use and he qualified for the trafficking felony. No tears shed here.
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So what? 5 lbs of reefer...

I would rather lock up the baby killers and thieves that will cut the throat of grandmas.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I agree.
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Thats how it used to be up until the late 1960's...

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tim said:
My view is a little different. I think they should all be in prison.
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Until I see the cops setting up sting operations and/or arresting bankers, I will not believe you. The easy, low hanging fruit is going to be to lock up the little guys.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Does the fact that prison doesn't act as a deterrent not register with people anymore? I mean that is a pretty sad reflection of our society.
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Why are we locking people up for non-violent crimes, first off? You sound as though you think we need more and tougher prisons...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Until I see the cops setting up sting operations and/or arresting bankers, I will not believe you. The easy, low hanging fruit is going to be to lock up the little guys.
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Dont care if you believe me. Google "banker arrested", there are plenty to get your rocks off on. You act as if there are as many crooked bankers as there are run of the mill bad guys. Truth of the matter is that you and I will deal or interact with these "low hanging fruit" criminals 100 times more than we will deal with a crooked banker.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Another major issue is sending a guy to jail for 20 years or more because he had a beer or a joint while on probation
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Got a better one than that. Keeping a guy in jail for weeks or months at a time because they couldn't pay their bail or bond. If they can't come up with $1000, what good does it do for the taxpayer to hold him in a hole for 6 months? That prisoner would still have to be fed and clothed during that time. May as well just set him free.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You really haven't put much thought into the matter, have you?
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Breaking into your home is non violent. You think thats someone who needs to be free? I lived it chief. Theres no need to overthink things, bad guys need to be removed from society.
 
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tim said:
Breaking into your home is non violent. You think thats someone who needs to be free? I lived it chief. Theres no need to overthink things, bad guys need to be removed from society.
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We all agree, put the bad guys away. The problem is that your view of right and wrong, good and bad, is so myopic that you can't fathom making the distinction between illegal and immoral. Is someone "bad" for having a pound of marijuana?

If you did your job better and put more actual bad guys away instead of nonviolent drug offenders who are being sacrificed for the financial benefit of the prison industrial complex and the sheriff's budget, we might believe you were genuine in your pursuit of "just trying to put the bad guys away"; however, it is plainly obvious that is not the case.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So what? 5 lbs of reefer...

I would rather lock up the baby killers and thieves that will cut the throat of grandmas.
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Ever seen 5 pounds of reefer? I have. It
s a lot! :cool2:

Point was though he went to prison because he didnt just have a joint, or an ounce, but 5 pounds. That is absolutely going to land you in prison for trafficking and intent to distribute. It isn't legal. You want to smoke weed I am all for that. You wanna sell it I am all for that too but man do it where it's legal because you aren't going to win me over with your sob story about breaking the law and getting caught.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why are we locking people up for non-violent crimes, first off? You sound as though you think we need more and tougher prisons...
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You mean like money laundering, fraud, child pornography, etc..those are non violent but I prefer them all locked up.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Ever seen 5 pounds of reefer? I have. It
s a lot! :cool2:

Point was though he went to prison because he didnt just have a joint, or an ounce, but 5 pounds. That is absolutely going to land you in prison for trafficking and intent to distribute. It isn't legal. You want to smoke weed I am all for that. You wanna sell it I am all for that too but man do it where it's legal because you aren't going to win me over with your sob story about breaking the law and getting caught.
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Small time player, I've been around hundreds of lbs at a time.. If you're gonna go, go big I always say..😜
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
You mean like money laundering, fraud, child pornography, etc..those are non violent but I prefer them all locked up.
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Money laundering is the only one that is borderline non-criminal, if you ask me.

You know good and damn well that no one in here is not for locking up child pornographers and fraudsters. No one has remotely made that claim. Most people have consistently been saying that we should be locking up people that commit crimes that result in the damage or loss of life, limb or property.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
It take you an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes doesn't it?
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Hey smart ass... Malcolm X was able to legally carry a weapon after serving time for committing a felony. Also was able to keep his voting rights.

Stripping people of their rights after being released from jail is a recent phenomena tied in with this war on drugs.
 
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tim said:
Dont care if you believe me. Google "banker arrested", there are plenty to get your rocks off on. You act as if there are as many crooked bankers as there are run of the mill bad guys. Truth of the matter is that you and I will deal or interact with these "low hanging fruit" criminals 100 times more than we will deal with a crooked banker.
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The truth of the matter is the "too big to prosecute" bankers are 100 times more dangerous to you and I than the "low hanging fruit" criminals. Heck, I'd put some of those fraudsters up there with El Chapo on the dangerous to my family scale.
 
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