Mac > PC

#76
#76
utvolpj said:
we have very few issues with the HP's laptops we use company wide (thousands in service) and getting work done is actually pretty easy. Those aren't single anecdotes

we also couldn't run our business on a Mac so that's out. I would bet we're not alone in that either
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Consumer level. Consumer level. Purchasing and servicing PC's as a business is an entirely different deal than doing so as a single consumer.
 
#77
#77
yet I would possibly buy the same laptop if I needed one at home. You want to throw out "single anecdotes" when that's all you're really basing your opinion on. If people had any real clue how a computer worked this wouldn't be a discussion

MG1968 said:
this is why I build my own computers. Relying on third parties to build and service a computer is a sure way to lose money.
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used to but just don't have the time to fuss with them anymore. Of course I'm planning to build a HTPC soon so I hope it works without too much trouble
 
#78
#78
Yeah. Many single anecdotes for the last few years. Dealing with mfg. warranty service with every company that sells retail pc's except Apple sucks nearly every time I have to go through it or help a customer go through it.

I'm not saying that Macs are invulnerable or without their issues, but that when you buy a computer you should probably plan on needing some type of service within three or so years. Unless somebody has an explicit reason for buying PC (and there are many), then nutting up and buying Apple is probably going to be worth it since the fact is you will be less likely to experience issues during its useful lifespan and it will likely be much less of a headache if/when those issues happen. Especially if you have Apple Care.
 
#79
#79
wait my company would be business level but if you call as an employee it wouldn't?

and I stand by the fact Macs are overkill for the vast majority of users. Just because they aren't targeted as much doesn't mean much. 30min spent protecting your windows machine (both are actually pc's) makes it just as safe
 
#80
#80
Does your group go directly to the same HP warranty service everybody else does without any sort of go-between or independent maintenance?

And agreed about the safety, I was speaking more to hardware/OS issues and such. Macs are factually safer from viruses and the like than PC's, but not by much and that's totally overblown.

And the overkill is a complete judgement statement. Liken it to guitars. You could spend $350 on an Ibanez and it's enough for most and could work out just fine through the years, but the odds aren't with you. Or you could spend $1500 on a Gibson. You know you're overpaying a bit for the name but you're also guaranteed you're getting a damn fine guitar.

If somebody can budget a Macbook and doesn't need 7 for something that Mac OS can't provide, then a Macbook is probably going to be the best answer.
 
#81
#81
I am a student. I write papers, listen to music, browse the web, and watch movies. which computer would be best for me?


oh, and i browse copious amounts of dirty pornography and torrents. how do i ensure that i don't get a virus?
 
#82
#82
VolBalla2014 said:
I am a student. I write papers, listen to music, browse the web, and watch movies. which computer would be best for me?


oh, and i browse copious amounts of dirty pornography and torrents. how do i ensure that i don't get a virus?
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Which statement best describes your disposable cash situation?

I have around $500 to pay for a computer package.
I have $1200+ to pay for a computer package.

The only way to ensure you won't get a virus is to never connect to the internet or plug anyone's devise (portable hard drive, thumb drive, etc.) into your computer.
 
#83
#83
VolBalla2014 said:
I am a student. I write papers, listen to music, browse the web, and watch movies. which computer would be best for me?


oh, and i browse copious amounts of dirty pornography and torrents. how do i ensure that i don't get a virus?
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Macbook from a pawn shop ftw.
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#85
#85
So after bragging that my Dell has lasted me four years, the thing finally started coming apart a few days ago. I have a new XPS on the way that will hopefully last me another 4.
 
#87
#87
iVol4Life said:
What's going wrong with the Dell?
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Screen casing is coming apart, hinge is cracking really loud, and the screen doesn't really enjoy sitting upright all that much. It's also on it's third battery, which seems to be nearing the end of it's life. My grandfather offered to buy me a new one as opposed to fixing the 4 year old machine even though I told him the current one performs just fine. Happy late birthday to me, I suppose. :)
 
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#88
#88
I called the shot! Karma's a biatch.

A guy came into my work the other day asking if we wold Dell laptops. I told him no. He asked me where around the area he could by one, and I asked him "Why would you want to do that?" with a straight face. He gave me funny look, I laffed.
 
#90
#90
IPorange said:
there is the difference. Different tools for different jobs. PC's are not inferior.
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Exactly.

Being an owner of both, I've never understood the bickering back and forth. Technology is not a status symbol, it's a tool.
 
#91
#91
Just a few thoughts in reaction to these sort of comments:

"just spend 30 minutes protecting a PC"
"technology is a tool"
"some preventive maintenance is all you need on a PC"

These comments all fail to recognize that for some people doing maintenance or frequent virus updating or defragging or whatever is not something they either feel comfortable or want to have to do.

Likewise, technology can be a tool or it can be more to some people. A significant part of Mac appeal has been industrial design - people love the engineering/design that is on display and that is a valid criteria.

In short, I don't put one above another in general. However, what may seem like a no-brainer to some (pay less, be more involved in maintenance, etc.) is the opposite to someone else.

Macs and Apples have been successful because they just work and the "computer" disappears into the life of the user. They fit the lifestyle.
 
#92
#92
volinbham said:
Just a few thoughts in reaction to these sort of comments:

"just spend 30 minutes protecting a PC"
"technology is a tool"
"some preventive maintenance is all you need on a PC"

These comments all fail to recognize that for some people doing maintenance or frequent virus updating or defragging or whatever is not something they either feel comfortable or want to have to do.

Likewise, technology can be a tool or it can be more to some people. A significant part of Mac appeal has been industrial design - people love the engineering/design that is on display and that is a valid criteria.

In short, I don't put one above another in general. However, what may seem like a no-brainer to some (pay less, be more involved in maintenance, etc.) is the opposite to someone else.

Macs and Apples have been successful because they just work and the "computer" disappears into the life of the user. They fit the lifestyle.
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Mac sells "cool" and that's my most people buy their products. The people you describe are the minority.
 
#93
#93
I think it still comes down to user needs and how you want to measure bang for your buck. Also, individuals positive or negative experience with either. I've always liked the Mac design of everything in one simple unit.

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#94
#94
volinbham said:
Just a few thoughts in reaction to these sort of comments:

"just spend 30 minutes protecting a PC"
"technology is a tool"
"some preventive maintenance is all you need on a PC"

These comments all fail to recognize that for some people doing maintenance or frequent virus updating or defragging or whatever is not something they either feel comfortable or want to have to do.

Likewise, technology can be a tool or it can be more to some people. A significant part of Mac appeal has been industrial design - people love the engineering/design that is on display and that is a valid criteria.

In short, I don't put one above another in general. However, what may seem like a no-brainer to some (pay less, be more involved in maintenance, etc.) is the opposite to someone else.

Macs and Apples have been successful because they just work and the "computer" disappears into the life of the user. They fit the lifestyle.
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it's only easy because they aren't targeted like Windows machines are. It would take no time at all to setup a computer to be protected and basic maint and never worry about it again

I understand the allure of a Mac but there is very little difference once you get past the packaging. Heck if you just like the looks of the OS there are programs out there to make Windows look like it
 
#98
#98
utvolpj said:
it's only easy because they aren't targeted like Windows machines are. It would take no time at all to setup a computer to be protected and basic maint and never worry about it again

I understand the allure of a Mac but there is very little difference once you get past the packaging. Heck if you just like the looks of the OS there are programs out there to make Windows look like it
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Again, may not take you much time to do this but there are plenty of people who either don't want to learn to do this or don't want to bother to do this.

It's the same reason we have Toyota fans and BMW fans. The particular set of attributes of one appeals to one group and the set of the other appeals to another group.
 
#100
#100
Roughneck said:
I agree but a lot of people are buying them based solely on that.
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A lot of people buy a Dell because of the commercials or name recognition.

A lot of people don't buy a Lenovo because the name doesn't register and it's Chinese - never mind it was once IBM and a bunch of people bought it because of the name.

Hell, a lot of people buy obscure PC brands or build themselves because that also says something about them.

I doubt any computer purchase is strictly utilitarian - there is always some element of "self" in the decision and how that decision fits with how that person lives.
 
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