Looking more and more like DeBord will be the new OC

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Fingers said:
Brice 10:00pm
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I think the hire will come as soon as Jones is convinced he has the right person but also covers his bases in terms of speaking with a couple of other candidates.

Absolutely, Mike DeBord is far and away with leading candidate --- and Tennessee has been checking sources on DeBord but also vetting multiple other candidates.

DeBord remains on campus and has met extensively with Jones and his entire staff this weekend, as well as other people on campus. He's also, we've heard, logged some time with some Vols' players including Josh Dobbs.
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dreVol said:
Butch hiring DeBord would be a lot like Derek Mason hiring Karl Dorell.

Dorell coached Mason, was his mentor, close friends outside of football, their wives are best friends, Dorell's head coaching career was largely considered a disaster, etc.

Familiarity and comfort are great, but I hope CBJ understands that UT is on the precipice and a bad hire will derail all of the work that's been put in.
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Mason had NO experience as a head coach...and it showed. The QB roulette game he played from the beginning expressed that...he probably got miffed that his lifelong friend didn't save him from himself. Butch has been fortunate to have the majority of his current staff throughout his run, but the man knows what works in his system and who can make it work...I'm really feeling low energy if this ends up being a Debord hire, and I think we lose a recruit or two that we don't want to, but Butch's long term record rests on who run his offense...I'd call and tell him but I bet he already knows.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Recruiting is the least of your worries? Good grief. Yeah recruiting isn't that important anyway :crazy:
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That's not what I meant. I believe Debord can and would be able to recruit. It's the product on the field I'm worried about. He hasn't called plays in a while, and his offense is not like Butch's. Other than him being CBJs mentor, I don't see the fit.
 
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Coaching decisions like this is why we won't compete with Alabama in the near future

You can't seriously spin Debord in any way to make it a good hire

We need to get someone that hasn't been unemployed from coaching the last several years

Hell, as bad as Dooley was as HC, he still got a job coaching in the NFL. Let that sink in
 
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orange parmejohn said:
He might last 4 years butthe next 2 will determine his fate. If he doesn't win, the stadium will empty again and recruiting will plummet. He might last
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Can't project any of it fate based on unknown circumstances. CBJ is not going to put a product on the field that is not competitive, that does not have talent, that is not undisciplined, that is not coached. Those are the ingredients that will fill the stands.

Fans will come and go. The constant factor is Money and getting the Tennessee Athletics back. We have spent too much on Coaches buy outs and turnover. We will bite the bullet on CBJ for a minimum of 6 years which was his original contract. At present there was no reason not to extend him, but bottom line he is locked for 6 years.

Face it with what he is doing with team dynamics, stability, recruiting, depth and discipline any statement about him being gone in two years is just dumb and premature ejection.

I think some just wish for the drama of Kiffin, Dooley and others to continue. It takes time and the decision makers know that but this past decade put us in a financial hole that we had zero leverage. All of which was self inflicted so why do the same thing over and over and expect different results (defined = insanity).
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The dude has never ran our type of offense. If he had dreads, he still has never ran our type of offense. You think he can just snag a dry erase board and figure it out before spring practice?
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Listen to yourself. I'm not going to try to embarrass you by pointing out success rates of "different style" oc's at schools in their first year. All you need to do is look at the teams in the SEC for examples. Plays are not rocket science, it's about match ups, schemes, and anticipation.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Coaching decisions like this is why we won't compete with Alabama in the near future

You can't seriously spin Debord in any way to make it a good hire

We need to get someone that hasn't been unemployed from coaching the last several years

Hell, as bad as Dooley was as HC, he still got a job coaching in the NFL. Let that sink in
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I'm pretty sure it's only been one season. Not sure I asked you this, but do you know who coaches K State and how long he was out of coaching before returning? I'm not sure what makes you believe you know more than others, but it's pretty silly. If Butch hires Debord he made the decision based on his VAST knowledge, not your limited knowledge. Spin that.
 
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tim said:
I'm pretty sure it's only been one season. Not sure I asked you this, but do you know who coaches K State and how long he was out of coaching before returning? I'm not sure what makes you believe you know more than others, but it's pretty silly. If Butch hires Debord he made the decision based on his VAST knowledge, not your limited knowledge. Spin that.
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Undoubtedly, a lot of other head coaches, universities, and NFL teams are really high on him too. That's why he's working an obscure job and not coaching
 
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tim said:
I'm pretty sure it's only been one season. Not sure I asked you this, but do you know who coaches K State and how long he was out of coaching before returning? I'm not sure what makes you believe you know more than others, but it's pretty silly. If Butch hires Debord he made the decision based on his VAST knowledge, not your limited knowledge. Spin that.
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I'll spin it: you can paint an old out of coaching turd gold, but it's still an old out coaching turd. This would be a mediocre hire at best with Sonny Crumbie and Mike Norvell out there. Make a run at someone who is putting up big points in exciting offenses now, not some dude that hadn't called plays in a decade at any level.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Didn't say he didn't hire some coaches he had experience with. But if Harbaugh brought HIS GUYS with him, then Greg Roman and Vic Fangio would have come with him. They didn't. There goes your argument....again.
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Maybe they didn't want to go to Michigan. Maybe they didn't want the recruiting hassles of college. Maybe he didn't want them.

All I know is that Harbaugh has filled 5 staff positions. He has worked with 4 of the guys in the past. The 5th is a holdover Mich d-line coach for the sake of continuity, and they have a great d-line.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Can't project any of it fate based on unknown circumstances. CBJ is not going to put a product on the field that is not competitive, that does not have talent, that is not undisciplined, that is not coached. Those are the ingredients that will fill the stands.

Fans will come and go. The constant factor is Money and getting the Tennessee Athletics back. We have spent too much on Coaches buy outs and turnover. We will bite the bullet on CBJ for a minimum of 6 years which was his original contract. At present there was no reason not to extend him, but bottom line he is locked for 6 years.

Face it with what he is doing with team dynamics, stability, recruiting, depth and discipline any statement about him being gone in two years is just dumb and premature ejection.

I think some just wish for the drama of Kiffin, Dooley and others to continue. It takes time and the decision makers know that but this past decade put us in a financial hole that we had zero leverage. All of which was self inflicted so why do the same thing over and over and expect different results (defined = insanity).
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I think you mean coaches come and go. Fans, like the ones on VN, stay with their team through thick, thin, Dooleys, and Kiffins.

Need a solid OC. I still don't believe a coach with no OC responsibility for 8 years and not job in coaching for 2 years will relate to recruits.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Or he may have made a promise to help a guy who once helped him. I don't for a minute believe CBJ is the OC in any capacity. And the offenses are not as simplified as you try to make it out to be. I've heard QB's talk about playbooks being the size of a phone book....including Chip Kelly's. You know, the one offense you say is simple. That's a load of crap. There may be some base concepts, but there are a million different wrinkles to them, and lots of nuances that have to be mastered.
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...but, but....Dobbs learned the whole playbook in a couple of weeks.
 
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Spawn said:
I think you mean coaches come and go. Fans, like the ones on VN, stay with their team through thick, thin, Dooleys, and Kiffins.

Need a solid OC. I still don't believe a coach with no OC responsibility for 8 years and not job in coaching for 2 years will relate to recruits.
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Debord maybe hired but he may not be hired as the OC. We will not know until, it is done. Whatever happens it is CBJs call.

Some of the so call fans apparently don't think CBJ knows that Debord has been out of coaching for 8 years and he would just hire him to fill the position of OC to have a full staff. I don't think that this is the case, plus Debord may not be hired as the OC but in a different capacity on staff.

Not all, but some fans on this board, blow like the wind. True fans don't really question before the fact and cast doom on the coaches or players, they wait and see. For me sit here and say if CBJ hires DeBord its a failure and CBJ fate's lies in this hire or he is gone in two years is because of a hire tells me that some have little trust in this Coach based on something that has not even happened yet.

That's not being a fan that is just what it is --- being a self appointed self entitled knows everything who relies on or creates drama to drive their fan hood. Trust the Coach, See the results and then criticize, replace or speak based on facts versus speculation.

Right now we have no hire and we have no idea when they are hired as to what capacity the hire will fulfill on the staff.

No need to get worked up and set Coach fate deadlines without facts.

Fans move on and they don't mention the previous coaches and their past. It's like trying to drive a car forward by only watching your rear view mirror. Those coaches were history they are not here let it go.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Debord maybe hired but he may not be hired as the OC. We will not know until, it is done. Whatever happens it is CBJs call.

Some of the so call fans apparently don't think CBJ knows that Debord has been out of coaching for 8 years and he would just hire him to fill the position of OC to have a full staff. I don't think that this is the case, plus Debord may not be hired as the OC but in a different capacity on staff.

Not all, but some fans on this board, blow like the wind. True fans don't really question before the fact and cast doom on the coaches or players, they wait and see. For me sit here and say if CBJ hires DeBord its a failure and CBJ fate's lies in this hire or he is gone in two years is because of a hire tells me that some have little trust in this Coach based on something that has not even happened yet.

That's not being a fan that is just what it is --- being a self appointed self entitled knows everything who relies on or creates drama to drive their fan hood. Trust the Coach, See the results and then criticize, replace or speak based on facts versus speculation.

Right now we have no hire and we have no idea when they are hired as to what capacity the hire will fulfill on the staff.

No need to get worked up and set Coach fate deadlines without facts.

Fans move on and they don't mention the previous coaches and their past. It's like trying to drive a car forward by only watching your rear view mirror. Those coaches were history they are not here let it go.
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Why do people keep saying that Debord has been out of coaching for 8 years? Do the 5 years with the Seahawks and Bears from 2008-2012 not count for something?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Why do people keep saying that Debord has been out of coaching for 8 years? Do the 5 years with the Seahawks and Bears from 2008-2012 not count for something?
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Yes but he was only a TE position coach.
He has not been significantlyon the recruiting trail in a decade.
He also was "failed to be retained" at each of his stops at position coach, and was not play calling at either.
Now at his administrative job at Michigan the new coaching staff didn't even think enough of his abilities to reintroduce him into being a position coach (even TE!) much less play calling.
He has a great resume, just ancient history. I can't imagine him being the one to play call us into sec prominence.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Why do people keep saying that Debord has been out of coaching for 8 years? Do the 5 years with the Seahawks and Bears from 2008-2012 not count for something?
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I agree. That's the sentiment of one that has been expanded to others. I think their intent was a the College level or as an OC, but you are right coaching is coaching. So 3 years is the better fact.

I don't think CBJ will hire him as an OC if he cannot run and play call CBJ's offensive system. If he does hire him it is because he knows and can operate the system. No need to change now. We have recruited to and coached players to this system why change it.

It would be a waste of two years I don't see that happening.
 
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Good thing coach Jones doesnt have to take advice from everyone on here!
He would never be able to find Jake's replacement!

He knows this is an important hire, and I trust him to do what he thinks is best for the program. Rather than be negative, whichever way it goes, why not wait to see how it plays out with our recruits, our current players and staff, and on the field results in the OW game. Is that too much to ask of our fanbase?
 
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vol81 said:
Good thing coach Jones doesnt have to take advice from everyone on here!
He would never be able to find Jake's replacement!

He knows this is an important hire, and I trust him to do what he thinks is best for the program. Rather than be negative, whichever way it goes, why not wait to see how it plays would with our recruits, our current players and staff, and on the field results in the OW game. Is that too much to ask of our fanbase?
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Because we are tired of wait and see, wait until next year, hopefully it works out, diamond in the rough, has potential, and all the other BS that comes with mediocre hiring
 
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vol81 said:
Good thing coach Jones doesnt have to take advice from everyone on here!
He would never be able to find Jake's replacement!

He knows this is an important hire, and I trust him to do what he thinks is best for the program. Rather than be negative, whichever way it goes, why not wait to see how it plays out with our recruits, our current players and staff, and on the field results in the OW game. Is that too much to ask of our fanbase?
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agree and liked
 
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