Lebron vs. Jordan

#76
#76
BigPapaVol said:
Until he defends and shoots a better percentage, he'll keep losing. Guy is talented, but playoff ball isn't going to agree with him.
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Shoot a better percentage?

I think he is 90% on FT, 40% on 3-pointers and above 50% from the field.
 
#77
#77
BigPapaVol said:
No it isn't. Kobe was always the first option late. Always. Kobe was tge best plaer in the league while shaq was out there.
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Your insane, Shaq was the better player then, Kobe fed off of him, of course Kobe was the 4th quarter option, hack-a-Shaq.
 
#79
#79
BigPapaVol said:
I don't hate LeBron. I just don't buy the media gibberish about the guy. If LeBro is Jordan or Kobe, Orlando doesn't send the packing early last year.
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I guess he is supposed to guard Peitrus, Howard, Turk and Lewis, they made everything that series, it was unreal.
 
#80
#80
BigPapaVol said:
Oh, I disnt realize that your ridiculous emphasis earlier was due to the fact that you were loading this thread with unassailable facts.
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I'm just looking at numbers, numbers don't lie and looking at the numbers, LeBron is every bit as good right now as Jordan ever was.
 
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GahLee said:
Your insane, Shaq was the better player then, Kobe fed off of him, of course Kobe was the 4th quarter option, hack-a-Shaq.
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No he wasn't. shaq has always been a limited offensive player ecausehe he has no discernable skill. The laker cast is waht made room for him to win it.

It wasn't Shaq's ascendancy that won the Lakers their titles. Shaq hated it in Orlando because he wanted to be the optio and they couldn't make him.
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#82
#82
BigPapaVol said:
No he wasn't. shaq has always been a limited offensive player ecausehe he has no discernable skill. The laker cast is waht made room for him to win it.

It wasn't Shaq's ascendancy that won the Lakers their titles. Shaq hated it in Orlando because he wanted to be the optio and they couldn't make him.
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Craziest thing I have ever heard...Shaq was the reason they won...do you think that the Heat could have won it without him? Wade was obviously the best player, but without Shaq it doesn't happen.
 
#83
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GahLee said:
I'm just looking at numbers, numbers don't lie and looking at the numbers, LeBron is very bit as good right now as Jordan ever was.
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No he isn't. Numbers don't tell the story. Jordan won six titles on teams with no center, only decent PG play and limited scoring options.

He was always a better shooter and defender. Limited shooting is deadly to offensive options.
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GAVol said:
At age 25, Jordan averaged 35 ppg and was named Defensive Player of the Year.
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I wasn't talking stats. I saw them both play at that age, and LeBron is better.

And as I said earlier, there were some horrible teams in the league early in Jordan's career.
 
#85
#85
GahLee said:
Craziest thing I have ever heard...Shaq was the reason they won...do you think that the Heat could have won it without him? Wade was obviously the best player, but without Shaq it doesn't happen.
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I didn't say it wouldn't happen. None would have happened sans Kobe and Wade. You can't lean on a guy that can't be a 4th quarter option. Cannot do it.
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#86
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ranradVOL said:
I wasn't talking stats. I saw them both play at that age, and LeBron is better.

And as I said earlier, there were some horrible teams in the league early in Jordan's career.
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There were also the Lakers, Sixers, Celts, Pistons...

There aren't teams today that could deal with those teams.
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#87
#87
LeBron will never top Jordan in the eyes of many, basis being titles and skill.

Skill wise, I believe that he is just as good if not better than Jordan, but he won't sniff 6 titles.

LeBron is going to get better, I believe it will be another 2 years before he actually peaks.

Whether his jumpshot is as good as Jordan's was is irrelevant, no matter how you do it.
 
#89
#89
GahLee said:
LeBron will never top Jordan in the eyes of many, basis being titles and skill.

Skill wise, I believe that he is just as good if not better than Jordan, but he won't sniff 6 titles.

LeBron is going to get better, I believe it will be another 2 years before he actually peaks.

Whether his jumpshot is as good as Jordan's was is irrelevant, no matter how you do it.
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I'm no Jordan fan. I'm just callig it like I see it. Jordan's offensive repertoire made him a much better focus of an offense. LeBron is a beast, but he's not matching that skill, nor will he lock down a 1, 2, or 3 at crunch time.
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#91
#91
BigPapaVol said:
No he isn't. Numbers don't tell the story. Jordan won six titles on teams with no center, only decent PG play and limited scoring options.

He was always a better shooter and defender. Limited shooting is deadly to offensive options.
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Talk about Lebron all you want, but I can't sit here and let you talk bad about Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley.
 
#92
#92
BigPapaVol said:
I'm no Jordan fan. I'm just callig it like I see it. Jordan's offensive repertoire made him a much better focus of an offense. LeBron is a beast, but he's not matching that skill, nor will he lock down a 1, 2, or 3 at crunch time.
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He may have had a better overall offensive game but LeBron still puts up the same numbers.
 
#96
#96
BigPapaVol said:
That must be why the same 5 or 6 teams keep topping the list of title contenders.
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The Bobcats beat the Lakers last night. Perfect example.

Are the Bobcats a better team? Of course not, but if one or two guys get hot, any team in the NBA can beat anybody.
 
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#97
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It was the same 5 or 6 teams in the 90's as well.

You think a team today could go on a run like the Bulls did? No way.
 
#98
#98
ranradVOL said:
It was the same 5 or 6 teams in the 90's as well.

You think a team today could go on a run like the Bulls did? No way.
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Lakers can just as easily as the Bulls did. Teams can keep their players and do. Free agents migrate to certain spots.

The rules were essetially the same then. Bulls got a transcendant player and kept him. The Celts and Lakers had them too. Not sure that greatness, with killer instinct exists in the league now, aside from Kobe. LeBron has the talent, but it's always going to be tough for him because he doesn't shoot it well. Guys like Magic, Bird, Jordan and Kobe dont have a similar weakness.
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#99
#99
BigPapaVol said:
No he isn't. Numbers don't tell the story. Jordan won six titles on teams with no center, only decent PG play and limited scoring options.
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Ding ding ding ding ding.

Winning one NBA title with no elite big is impressive. Winning six is stunning and will likely never be repeated. And this is on the back of a 2-guard, no less.
 
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