Lebron vs. Jordan

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#26
GahLee said:
Jordan in his prime is your argument, LeBron hasn't hit his prime.
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LeVron is easily in his prime. With a game predicated on size, strength and athleticism, it won't get better from here. Jordan overpowered nobody. His strength came from the need for defenders to body up because he could drill it. Made his first step more deadly.

Again, LeBron's Olympic work, against zones, is more than telling about his offensive skill level.
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#27
#27
You know as well as I do, that Jordan went to the rim as much as LeBron does now when he was in his early days, he later developed his killer jump shot...speaking of a mid range game, does it even exist anymore?

If you don't think that LeBron is as good from a skill set, your crazy.

Of course they will let him shoot 17 ft shots, they are thanking God for having mercy because nobody in the league can stop him on a drive...nobody.

I'm not saying LeBron is better...we base so much of our judgment on winning and untill he wins some titles he won't even be in Kobe's world to some but just from a pure skill set, LeBron is a bigger, stronger version of Oscar Robertson.
 
#28
#28
BigPapaVol said:
LeVron is easily in his prime. With a game predicated on size, strength and athleticism, it won't get better from here. Jordan overpowered nobody. His strength came from the need for defenders to body up because he could drill it. Made his first step more deadly.

Again, LeBron's Olympic work, against zones, is more than telling about his offensive skill level.
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Please, he has gotten better every year he has been in the league, to say at 25 he has peaked is absurd.
 
#29
#29
Why bring up the Olympics? When they start playing with foreign rules in the NBA let me know.
 
#30
#30
It just goes to show when you crowd the lane and make Lebron shoot the whole game his scoring is drastically effected. Let people sit back on Jordan and he is still scoring the same. That's the point of bringing up the olympics.
 
#31
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JoshTheVol12 said:
It just goes to show when you crowd the lane and make Lebron shoot the whole game his scoring is drastically effected. Let people sit back on Jordan and he is still scoring the same. That's the point of bringing up the olympics.
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Then why doesn't everyone just do that? Seems like you guys know something nobody else knows...how to stop Lebron James from dropping 30 a night.

Does it really matter if he gets his in a different way? 30 points is 30 points.
 
#32
#32
Skill wise Lebron > Jordan. Lebron isn't in his prime, but he still has a long way to do what Jordan did.
 
#33
#33
I think Lebron is a better athlete than MJ but not as great of a basketball player. Don't get me wrong MJ was athletic but some of the things you see Lebron do, all you can do is just shake your head. I don't remember MJ doing the Chase down block. Lebron is a better defender IMO
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GahLee said:
Then why doesn't everyone just do that? Seems like you guys know something nobody else knows...how to stop Lebron James from dropping 30 a night.

Does it really matter if he gets his in a different way? 30 points is 30 points.
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Because the NBA rules value athleticism over skill. Nobody would ever guard LeBron. All would stand in the lane and dare him to beat them. You are trying to argue skill, not ability to perform under the bastardized rules of made for TV NBA.

Jordan never drove ad much as LeBron, because he didnt need to.
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#35
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#10_Ainge_#10 said:
I think Lebron is a better athlete than MJ but not as great of a basketball player. Don't get me wrong MJ was athletic but some of the things you see Lebron do, all you can do is just shake your head. I don't remember MJ doing the Chase down block. Lebron is a better defender IMO
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the biggest difference in the two is that Jordan was a ++ defender. LeBron isn't close. The Bulls won because Jordan, Pippen, Cartwright and Ho could all lock it down at crunch time.
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#36
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GahLee said:
Then why doesn't everyone just do that? Seems like you guys know something nobody else knows...how to stop Lebron James from dropping 30 a night.

Does it really matter if he gets his in a different way? 30 points is 30 points.
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Because the jacked up rules don't allow it. Defensive 3 secs will be called as soon as teams drop back to force him to shoot.
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#37
#37
You can argue about rules and this and that...LeBron is every bit as skilled as anyone who has ever played basketball...period.
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
Because the NBA rules value athleticism over skill. Nobody would ever guard LeBron. All would stand in the lane and dare him to beat them. You are trying to argue skill, not ability to perform under the bastardized rules of made for TV NBA.

Jordan never drove ad much as LeBron, because he didnt need to.
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Jordan did a lot of driving early in his career, had too he was atrocious from 3 and his jumper wasn't nearly as lethal as it became.

Just like Jordan and Kobe, they used their athleticism to dominant early on, as they got older they got better at shooting...I think LeBron will do the same, as he gets older, the shot will be there.
 
#39
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GahLee said:
You can argue about rules and this and that...LeBron is every bit as skilled as anyone who has ever played basketball...period.
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Your only support us that it might eventually come. At LeBrons age, both other guys were far better shooter. Bird, at that age was an absurdly better passer, shooter and rebounder. It isn't close. LeBron is a unique player from the standpoint of size and athleticism. You can continue to try and e emphatic, but it doesn't change the reality.
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#40
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GahLee said:
Jordan did a lot of driving early in his career, had too he was atrocious from 3 and his jumper wasn't nearly as lethal as it became.

Just like Jordan and Kobe, they used their athleticism to dominant early on, as they got older they got better at shooting...I think LeBron will do the same, as he gets older, the shot will be there.
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Negative. Those guys could shoot it their whole career. They got better at shot selection as their cast got better. 3 point shooting is hardly an inidicator of Jordans ability to kill you from 18 feet.
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#41
#41
BigPapaVol said:
LeVron is easily in his prime. With a game predicated on size, strength and athleticism, it won't get better from here. Jordan overpowered nobody. His strength came from the need for defenders to body up because he could drill it. Made his first step more deadly.

Again, LeBron's Olympic work, against zones, is more than telling about his offensive skill level.
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He may be in his prime physically, but he'll get better mentally. He's only 24-25 years old.

He's better at his age than Jordan was at 25.
 
#42
#42
I don't know why we are comparing Jordan to Lebron when Kobe is a closer comparision to MJ. How are you going to compare a guy like Lebron to the greatest player in history when he is currently not even the best player in the league?

That might change in 5-10 years and then a comparison can be made but not right now.
 
#43
#43
615 Vol said:
I don't know why we are comparing Jordan to Lebron when Kobe is a closer comparision to MJ. How are you going to compare a guy like Lebron to the greatest player in history when he is currently not even the best player in the league?

That might change in 5-10 years and then a comparison can be made but not right now.
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Lebron is overtaking Kobe for best player in the league if he hasn't already.
 
#47
#47
BigPapaVol said:
Kobe is a far better shooter and absurdly better defender.
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Not absurdly, Lebron even finished 2nd in DPOY voting. My point is Lebron is the better scorer (doesn't matter how he gets it done), rebounder, passer, and close to Kobe in defense. He may very well have passed Kobe.
 
#48
#48
VolBuck24 said:
Not absurdly, Lebron even finished 2nd in DPOY voting. My point is Lebron is the better scorer (doesn't matter how he gets it done), rebounder, passer, and close to Kobe in defense. He may very well have passed Kobe.
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There is no coach in the league who would take LeBron as a scorer or on ball defender. None.

The defensive POY crap is about the blocks from behind, which aren't about defense.

Cleveland can't win it all with LeBron as a centerpiece because he's the focal point, yet not good enough on either end to get it done. It's that simple.
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#49
#49
BigPapaVol said:
There is no coach in the league who would take LeBron as a scorer or on ball defender. None.

The defensive POY crap is about the blocks from behind, which aren't about defense.

Cleveland can't win it all with LeBron as a centerpiece because he's the focal point, yet not good enough on either end to get it done. It's that simple.
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You must not watch much NBA then. That is all.
 
#50
#50
ranradVOL said:
He may be in his prime physically, but he'll get better mentally. He's only 24-25 years old.

He's better at his age than Jordan was at 25.
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At age 25, Jordan averaged 35 ppg and was named Defensive Player of the Year.
 
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