Leach will be the one to dethrone Saban

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Rickyvol77 said:
Mike Price did better there with actual conference titles. But keep fluffing a coach who is 11-12 in the SEC
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Keep moving those goalposts. And yes Price won conference titles but Leach had a higher winning percentage. And had the best five year stretch in school history.
 
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YankeeVol said:
Price was 82-78 (49-63 in conference).

Leach was 55-47 (36-36 in conference).
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One won conference titles. One didn’t as usual. Not to mention the Pac10 was much better during Price’s tenure. But again Leach is a .500 type coach at best with a career of mediocrity. But he is great at quips and running up meaningless yards in losses and never beating rivals. Just like last night

Also his record vs ranked teams is like 21-52 to go along with no titles, no major bowl wins ever. He’s just not that good of a coach period which is why no real program would hire him. But he is good at funny one liners and deflecting his losses by blaming players
 
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Boston Vol said:
Horrible records his first seven? No his first three after taking over a garbage program left to him by Paul Wulff. Again 2015-2019 is the winningest stretch in the 127 history of WASU football. But yeah those were absolutely terrible seasons. And that 11-2 season in 2018 is the most wins in program history, but I guess you think that was a “mediocre” year.
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There's a similar debate we're having about Stoops in the Kentucky thread. He seems to think that if a coach isn't winning conference or national titles, regardless of the school they coach at, then they aren't very good.

It's an endemic concept on this board - people seem to think that college football is like the NFL and any team should be capable of winning national titles.
 
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Mtnvol80 said:
Going by some of the metrics posted in this thread CJH really really sucks
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CJH doesn’t having a losing SEC record. By end of year will have won 70% plus of his games in his career and already has his SEC program on better pace with a better offense in year 1 than Leach does in year 2.
 
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05_never_again said:
There's a similar debate we're having about Stoops in the Kentucky thread. He seems to think that if a coach isn't winning conference or national titles, regardless of the school they coach at, then they aren't very good.

It's an endemic concept on this board - people seem to think that college football is like the NFL and any team should be capable of winning national titles.
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I just don’t think beating the likes of Vandy and Mizzou and Chattanooga barely qualifies as good coaching. The only difference between stoops and previous Uk coaches is that he usually wins his weak OOC games and beat two terrible Florida teams due to their own self destruction. Even UK fans think he’s not a good game day coach.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I just don’t think beating the likes of Vandy and Mizzou and Chattanooga barely qualifies as good coaching. The only difference between stoops and previous Uk coaches is that he usually wins his weak OOC games and beat two terrible Florida teams due to their own self destruction. Even UK fans think he’s not a good game day coach.
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At Kentucky, it does. Stoops beats his conference peers (UGA, Florida, and Tennessee are not his peers) 75% of the time. Kentucky is a .500 program all time, and Stoops is a little above .500 overall and way above .500 his last 4-5 seasons there.

Stoops is a good coach...for Kentucky. He's had three 8+ win seasons there over the last 4 years. That isn't bad. Not every program is trying to win an SEC title. In your view, what would Stoops need to do for you to say "he's a pretty good coach?"
 
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05_never_again said:
At Kentucky, it does. Stoops beats his conference peers (UGA, Florida, and Tennessee are not his peers) 75% of the time. Kentucky is a .500 program all time, and Stoops is a little above .500 overall and way above .500 his last 4-5 seasons there.

Stoops is a good coach...for Kentucky. He's had three 8+ win seasons there over the last 4 years. That isn't bad. Not every program is trying to win an SEC title. In your view, what would Stoops need to do for you to say "he's a pretty good coach?"
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A .500 career coach who is 29-45 in the SEC is not a good coach. “Good for Kentucky” doesn’t mean squat. Butch Jones accomplished more as a HC and he’s not a great coach either
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
A .500 career coach who is 29-45 in the SEC is not a good coach. “Good for Kentucky” doesn’t mean squat. Butch Jones accomplished more as a HC and he’s not a great coach either
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This is your problem, you never take into account that at some schools, it takes a few years to actually build a program. Kentucky was a terrible program when Stoops took over thanks to Joker Phillips. His first three years weren’t good, because again, it takes some time to actually build a program, especially at Kentucky. His last six years he’s 45-29 overall and 25-25 in the conference.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The only difference between stoops and previous Uk coaches is that he usually wins his weak OOC opponents.
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You sure about that?
Rich Brooks 39-47 16-40
Hal Mumme 20-26 10-22
Bill Curry 26-52 16-40
Jerry Claiborne 41-46 13-37
Fran Curci 47-51 25-30

Seems like Stoops has done a better job in Lexington than anyone not named Bear Bryant.
 
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Boston Vol said:
You sure about that?
Rich Brooks 39-47 16-40
Hal Mumme 20-26 10-22
Bill Curry 26-52 16-40
Jerry Claiborne 41-46 13-37
Fran Curci 47-51 25-30

Seems like Stoops has done a better job in Lexington than anyone not named Bear Bryant.
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Please list his top ten wins in your opinion
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
One won conference titles. One didn’t as usual. Not to mention the Pac10 was much better during Price’s tenure. But again Leach is a .500 type coach at best with a career of mediocrity. But he is great at quips and running up meaningless yards in losses and never beating rivals. Just like last night

Also his record vs ranked teams is like 21-52 to go along with no titles, no major bowl wins ever. He’s just not that good of a coach period which is why no real program would hire him. But he is good at funny one liners and deflecting his losses by blaming players
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Price was also at WSU 14 seasons, Leach only 6. Price won his first conference title in his 9th season. If you are to compare, compare Price’s first 6 seasons with Leach’s 6 seasons.

Edit. 8 seasons, not 6.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Price was also at WSU 14 seasons, Leach only 6. Price won his first conference title in his 9th season. If you are to compare, compare Price’s first 6 seasons with Leach’s 6 seasons.
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Actually Leach was in Pullman for eight seasons.

Price 43-47
Leach 55-47
 
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Boston Vol said:
Actually Leach was in Pullman for eight seasons.

Price 43-47
Leach 55-47
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You're right, I miscounted on my phone. But point still remains. Granted some of that works in Leach's favor since in Price's first 8 seasons they only played 11 games so Leach usually got one more cupcake to beat. But Price also had no conference title game so a tie made WSU Conference Champs. In Leach's 7th season they went 7-2 and under the same conditions Price had they would have won a share of the conference title.
 
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Stoops is a good coach “FOR” Kentucky.

They’re happy with getting 8-9 wins a year with a Bowl game.

Any other bigger program, those expectations probably wouldn’t be enough.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Stoops is a good coach “FOR” Kentucky.

They’re happy with getting 8-9 wins a year with a Bowl game.

Any other bigger program, those expectations probably wouldn’t be enough.
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His best team ever and he was outcoached severely By Pruitt
 
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