Larry Scotts Play Calling

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K-town Vol Fan said:
I disagree. In the past weve seen a lot of WR screens. Dont think ive seen more than 2 or 3 this season. Also havent seen any trick plays which we typically see against big opponents.
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2016 Dobbs averaged 8.3 yards per pass, 2017 Dormady is averaging 7.12. We ran more screens in 2016 since we had a more seasoned WR corps with a better grasp of the playbook, but the net result is the same.
 
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I hate saying it, but it's really hard to tell much about him because we can barely make a throw at the QB position.

No QB play = vanilla offense (every single time).
 
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A lot of guys, like Scott, are put in a position where they have a lot of success early (like the end of last year for Scott) until other teams figure them, then things get tougher.

Chip Kelly would be a great example of this.
 
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You realize our #1 RB stats are real close to Saquon Barkley stats that is leading the Heisman race right?

AllVolForLife_16 said:
You realize we didn't give it to our #1 RB even once on the goal line against Florida 2 weeks ago? JK is a phenomenal athlete on his own, and that has nothing to do with Scott or Butch. If anything they're handicapping him.
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And you realize the dropped pass on the 1, on one of those series? But still, who'd then-thought we still wouldn't td on that drive / not me.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
A lot of guys, like Scott, are put in a position where they have a lot of success early (like the end of last year for Scott) until other teams figure them, then things get tougher.

Chip Kelly would be a great example of this.
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When did teams ever figure out CK while he was coaching college? Are you referring to the NFL?
 
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greazy1722 said:
Why everyone so down on Scott? The coach can only do so much. I said this numerous of times I believe that the offense is simplified because the wr's are struggling. Week 5 Callaway only have 8 catches for the season. Palmer 4 catches, Josh Smith 3 catches maybe, George 2 catches and then you have Brandon has 18 catches...that's kind of crazy. Kelly balling but, u don't have a passing game. I don't know maybe certain wr's are limited to what they can do, so that's why the play calling is the way it is..
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Why are the wrs limited?
 
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Biopsyman said:
The best playing football is the bomb... something that is not part of our playbook
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Anyone who's played Tecmo Bowl knows this. Butch is only a few years older than me, surely he played it at Ferris State. Seems many times like we have 4 plays in the book, so as I write this I am becoming more and more uneasy...
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
don't think we will throw the fade from the 1...unless he wants a complete meltdown
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It would be interesting if they did, hit the winning TD for it, and were still booed off the field. I'd bet if it's a TD people will still cheer though.
 
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AllVolForLife_16 said:
You realize we didn't give it to our #1 RB even once on the goal line against Florida 2 weeks ago? JK is a phenomenal athlete on his own, and that has nothing to do with Scott or Butch. If anything they're handicapping him.
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I'm still not over that series. Especially play #1.
 
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If you hire a well known well respected proven offensive coordinator and the offense fails, (provided the talent is there) the problem will obviously be the head coach. Hence the reason there was no well known, well respected proven offensive coordinator hired. All my opinion, btw.
 
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UT-Rex said:
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You realize our #1 RB stats are real close to Saquon Barkley stats that is leading the Heisman race right?



And you realize the dropped pass on the 1, on one of those series? But still, who'd then-thought we still wouldn't td on that drive / not me.
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Understand your point, but do you not agree that the obvious choice after 3 failed passing attempts on the goal line would be to chew clock and give it to Kelly on the 2nd series in the red zone? That should be common practice for any power 5 coach imo. Especially with the way he was dominating Florida's defense in the 2nd half, and how they were obviously gassed, I like Kelly's odds of punching it in from 6 yards out on 3-4 attempts.
 
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If they catch two TD passes in their hands, you're probably talking about where Scott will be HC nextyr. That's life on VN.
 
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wmcovol said:
If they catch two TD passes in their hands, you're probably talking about where Scott will be HC nextyr. That's life on VN.
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Those were 2 missed opportunities, but why on earth do you put the ball in Dormady's hands in the most crucial moment in the game when he was shaky all game long?

Again, the two passes were catchable, but it's the fact of the matter that we didn't even give the ball once in the red zone to our stud RB who's right on par with Barkley for best back in the league right now. That's just pure stupidity no matter how you try to slice it.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Please give explanations outside of the goal line vs Florida.
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I don't even need to explain last week's performance. We managed to look inept against an 0-5 team likely composed of 1-2 star players that's ranked near dead last in the NCAA. This offensive system sucks and it's not gotten any better over the course of 5 years. Dobbs' athleticism was the only reason why it was an explosive offense at times.
 
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Against Florida we run a couple of deception plays out of the WR screen formation...one variation was to hit another WR on the same side on a slant - we ran it twice and made a nice gain on the completion (the other was incomplete due to pressure on the QB). Another one was to hit the TE on a curl about 10 yards downfield - ran it once and picked up 10 yards and a first down. The other one I noticed was the fake WR screen with another receiver on the same side doing a down and then slant but the receiver broke outside instead of inside - would have been a TD...

I know much of the play calling is vanilla but those plays (and I'm sure I missed others) were nice deception plays built off those boring vanilla plays...

I prefer power to deception but that's just my preference...give me William Howard leading the way and I'm good...
 
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BeardedVol said:
2016 Dobbs averaged 8.3 yards per pass, 2017 Dormady is averaging 7.12. We ran more screens in 2016 since we had a more seasoned WR corps with a better grasp of the playbook, but the net result is the same.
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We are averaging 31.75 points through 4 games this year vs. 32.75 points through 4 games last year. Until we laid an egg at UMass, we were averaging 36.7 this year vs. 31 through 3 games last year.

From a production perspective, we are on par with last year. It is somewhat an apples and oranges comparison because we've only had 1 team we played in both years.

However, it certainly feels different!! Aside from JK, we don't seem to have any explosive plays. I'm too lazy to look for stats at that level of detail.
 
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jps2194 said:
We are averaging 31.75 points through 4 games this year vs. 32.75 points through 4 games last year. Until we laid an egg at UMass, we were averaging 36.7 this year vs. 31 through 3 games last year.

From a production perspective, we are on par with last year. It is somewhat an apples and oranges comparison because we've only had 1 team we played in both years.

However, it certainly feels different!! Aside from JK, we don't seem to have any explosive plays. I'm too lazy to look for stats at that level of detail.
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What do the amount of points scored have to do with Dormady's poor passing ability under Butch's system?

From the article OrangeBloodKnepp linked above...

Quarterback Quinten Dormady is averaging 7.12 yards per pass, but if you throw out the stats from Tennessee’s victory over FCS lightweight Indiana State, he’s averaging 6.5 yards per attempt with four TD passes and three INTs. Remove the numbers he’s stockpiled from throwing quick dumps to Kelly and those numbers get much worse.
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Dobbs was actually keeping the ball in the RPO plays when they fell apart, Dormady doesn't and from a passing standpoint, the offense looks just like it did under Worley, who averaged 6.3 YPA.
 
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