Kobe Bryant dead

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

You don't know what you are talking about. Does the fact that Kobe also admitted to adultery with other women when he was first questioned by Colorado police, impact his credibility?

If you took time to google on the facts of the case, rather than slut shaming, you might alter your view. Or see my above post...

I have read up in the case and standby by my opinions that this was a money grab situation. I’m not a Kobe fan either.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Kobe was the only other player in the history of the NBA with a skill set close to MJ’s and probably the best volume scorer to ever play. RIP to the black mamba and prayers to his friends & family.

If you switched heads on Kobe’s and MJ’s bodies you could not tell the difference. Similar body types and almost the exact form on style and movements when they played. Kobe was a clone of Michael Jordan.

 

[vols1221]

Fully aware this is probably useless, but here's the flip side to that argument. Doesn't matter if she had sex with the whole team in public and then shot five porn movies, NO means NO. Nothing prior to the actual act in question matters; multiple sex partners do not remove a women's right to refuse anyone at anytime.

I'm aware it removes the possibility of many people to believe she said NO, but the fact is the only real question is did she or did she not give consent in that particular situation.

I understand what you're saying, and for the most part agree with you. In this particular case however I disagree. She left work. Then came back, but only to go see Kobe! Per her rape kit, she has no problem having multiple partners in the same day. So why was she going to see Kobe? What could be so important that she would risk her job over? An autograph? Basketball advise? There is only one logical answer, and you know it!

 

[goldvol]

Dude was an adulterer at best, but more likely a rapist, and wasn’t even the best player in his generation. Don’t get the hoopla.
It’s really sad for his daughters and the other families who lost parents and daughters on that flight, but no one or the media is talking about that.

He wasn't a rapist according to our justice system. and I can't name a man on the planet that isnt an adulterer using Jesus' definition of adultery.

 

[superdave1984]

Famous people should just avoid helicopters completely.

 

[madtownvol]

I have read up in the case and standby by my opinions that this was a money grab situation. I’m not a Kobe fan either.

Obviously you have not. You are just making sh#t up to support your view. Read this:

During the preliminary hearing, Det. Winters testified that the accuser had been examined the day after the alleged assault by Sexual Assault Nurse Examiners (SANE) at the Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.

“[The nurse] stated that there were several lacerations to the victim’s posterior fourchette or vaginal area, and two of those lacerations were approximately one centimeter in length,” testified Det. Winters. “And there were many, I believe, 2 millimeter lacerations. Too many to count… [The nurse] stated that the injuries were consistent with penetrating genital trauma. That it’s not consistent with consensual sex.”

Det. Winters further stated that the nurse told him the vaginal injuries had most likely occurred within “24 hours,” and that the accuser had “a small bruise on her left jaw line.” Also, that examiners had found “blood excretions” on Bryant’s T-shirt “to about the waistline.” The blood, testified Det. Winters, had “the same DNA profile as the victim in this case.”

Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession

 

[madtownvol]

Forsenic evidence indicates a sexual act occurred with Kobe but does not indicate a rape occurred. She had consensual sex with at least two others that day according to what I have read. Serious credibility issue with this girl.

really, read it again:

Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Obviously you have not. You are just making sh#t up to support your view. Read this:

During the preliminary hearing, Det. Winters testified that the accuser had been examined the day after the alleged assault by Sexual Assault Nurse Examiners (SANE) at the Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.

“[The nurse] stated that there were several lacerations to the victim’s posterior fourchette or vaginal area, and two of those lacerations were approximately one centimeter in length,” testified Det. Winters. “And there were many, I believe, 2 millimeter lacerations. Too many to count… [The nurse] stated that the injuries were consistent with penetrating genital trauma. That it’s not consistent with consensual sex.”

Det. Winters further stated that the nurse told him the vaginal injuries had most likely occurred within “24 hours,” and that the accuser had “a small bruise on her left jaw line.” Also, that examiners had found “blood excretions” on Bryant’s T-shirt “to about the waistline.” The blood, testified Det. Winters, had “the same DNA profile as the victim in this case.”

Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession

It was also established the injuries could have occurred because of multiple sexual partners in a short period of time. You conveniently left this information out since it does fit your position.

 

[zjcvols]

I understand what you're saying, and for the most part agree with you. In this particular case however I disagree. She left work. Then came back, but only to go see Kobe! Per her rape kit, she has no problem having multiple partners in the same day. So why was she going to see Kobe? What could be so important that she would risk her job over? An autograph? Basketball advise? There is only one logical answer, and you know it!

The issue isn’t whether or not what her intent is. The issue is people are claiming she is lying because she had sex previously before the encounter with Kobe. Rape is rape. No means no. It doesn’t matter how many times she had sex before hand. And if we presume Kobe is innocent till proven guilty then it’s completely unfair to presume that because she had consensual sex multiple times before meeting Kobe shes a money grabbing whore.

 

[allvol123]

It was also established the injuries could have occurred because of multiple sexual partners in a short period of time. You conveniently left this information out since it does fit your position.

No more convenient than your slanted views due to loving someone because they can throw a ball in a hole.

 

[madtownvol]

It was also established the injuries could have occurred because of multiple sexual partners in a short period of time. You conveniently left this information out since it does fit your position.

Established? read again:

Bryant’s defense team claimed that the vaginal trauma suffered by the accuser could have been from having “multiple partners” in a short time span, though Det. Winters had testified that a nurse told him the injuries had likely occurred in the past 24 hours.

So, Bryant's defense team made that claim because you know they would say anything to save their client. That is not "established."

And I guess the blood from the victim on Kobe's clothing was somehow related to her prior sexual encounters too, right?

 

[goldvol]

Obviously you have not. You are just making sh#t up to support your view. Read this:

During the preliminary hearing, Det. Winters testified that the accuser had been examined the day after the alleged assault by Sexual Assault Nurse Examiners (SANE) at the Valley View Hospital in Glenwood Springs, Colorado.

“[The nurse] stated that there were several lacerations to the victim’s posterior fourchette or vaginal area, and two of those lacerations were approximately one centimeter in length,” testified Det. Winters. “And there were many, I believe, 2 millimeter lacerations. Too many to count… [The nurse] stated that the injuries were consistent with penetrating genital trauma. That it’s not consistent with consensual sex.”

Det. Winters further stated that the nurse told him the vaginal injuries had most likely occurred within “24 hours,” and that the accuser had “a small bruise on her left jaw line.” Also, that examiners had found “blood excretions” on Bryant’s T-shirt “to about the waistline.” The blood, testified Det. Winters, had “the same DNA profile as the victim in this case.”

Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession

Hearing one side of a story is one thing. And even Kobe has publicly and privately acknowledged he was wrong in the matter. But, after she filed a civil suit, she withdrew her willingness to testify under oath in court against him. That should be the end of the story and of his criminal guilt as far as our society is concerned.

 

[CINCYVOL]

The issue isn’t whether or not what her intent is. The issue is people are claiming she is lying because she had sex previously before the encounter with Kobe. Rape is rape. No means no. It doesn’t matter how many times she had sex before hand. And if we presume Kobe is innocent till proven guilty then it’s completely unfair to presume that because she had consensual sex multiple times before meeting Kobe shes a money grabbing whore.

I see how this works now.

 

[n_huffhines]

Leave it VN to **** up the Kobe's Dead thread

 

[madtownvol]

Hearing one side of a story is one thing. And even Kobe has publicly and privately acknowledged he was wrong in the matter. But, after she filed a civil suit, she withdrew her willingness to testify under oath in court against him. That should be the end of the story and of his criminal guilt as far as our society is concerned.

She actually withrdrew before the civil suit:
What happened with Kobe Bryant's sexual assault case

But the point of contention here is not so much about Kobe but whether or not the victim had credibility since she had consensual sex with other men. It is such a neanderthal view but it is one that Kobe's defense team pushed in the face of damning evidence and that some posters here are re-asserting.

 

[JCP201]

'I'm mesmerized by this kid': Barnes reflects on Kobe Bryant

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Established? read again:

Bryant’s defense team claimed that the vaginal trauma suffered by the accuser could have been from having “multiple partners” in a short time span, though Det. Winters had testified that a nurse told him the injuries had likely occurred in the past 24 hours.

So, Bryant's defense team made that claim because you know they would say anything to save their client. That is not "established."

And I guess the blood from the victim on Kobe's clothing was somehow related to her prior sexual encounters too, right?

Blood does not prove rape and could be from consensual sex. She had at least three partners in a short time according to the forsenic evidence, with one being confirmed as Caucasian. You would Never get a rape conviction based on the evidence. I stand by my opinions in all my posts regarding this topic.

 

[Notorious B.E.N]

I love Pat, this is good stuff.

 

[jkleno]

'I'm mesmerized by this kid': Barnes reflects on Kobe Bryant

Great article. And it is always a plus when the article is more than 100 words.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

really, read it again:

Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession

I simply do not believe the story and feel the sex was consensual. One employee stated when she left that day she did not appear to be distressed.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

really, read it again:

Kobe Bryant’s Disturbing Rape Case: The DNA Evidence, the Accuser’s Story, and the Half-Confession

Low hanging fruit. Sure must be easy to sh*t on the dead.

 

[goldenvol]

Famous people should just avoid helicopters completely.

Yeah, I understand the allure to not deal with traffic and I'm sure the chance of having a helicopter crash versus a car crash is much lower. But, the percentage I would consider is the probability of surviving a helicopter crash versus a car crash.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

I keep looking at the news every couple of hours thinking this can’t be Kobe and it still doesn’t seem real. I for one am absolutely devastated. Dévastés more for his daughter that passed with him and his family that will carry on his legacy. Even though I never met him, I adore Kobe just as much as we all adore Peyton. He was one of my heroes and heroes aren’t suppose to die. Especially not this young. I was born in 91 and was lucky enough to get to follow his NBA career to the end. He was the sole reason I fell in love with basketball. Not MJ, not Shaq, not LeBron, but Kobe was the only reason I ever knew this great game of basketball. I owe him thanks for drawing me in with his mindset. Every time I played in high school I wanted to play with that Mamba Mentality even if I wasn’t as talented as everyone else. I remember severely tearing ligaments in my ankle and my stupid self decided to try to play through it because I thought if Kobe can do it, I can do it. Turned out I only lasted a few minutes and went to the doctor and they said I couldn’t play for at least a month. Those are the types of things Kobe always played through somehow. Even an Achilles year couldn’t stop him. I am just grateful to call him one of my sports idols growing up and it was a pleasure to get to watch him play. There will never be another like him in my eyes. Make sure you tell the people that you love, “I love you” every single day. You never know when their last breath will be. RIP Kobe and Gigi

My wife and I separated last week. Haven't spoken to her. But I sent this last night...'I guess you heard about Kobe. I just wanted to let you know I will always love you. Life can be taken away quick and we never get the last chance to say I love you. Not sure if you will respond, but please don't.'

Just wanted to say I love you, just in case...

 

[glv98]

Disagree. Her actions before and after the supposed rape do matter when making a judgement call whether she is telling the truth.

Back to my original point of NO means NO regardless of actions before or after:
Those actions usually do matter when the judgement call is in the court of public opinion, rightly or wrongly. They usually do not matter in the court of law.

More importantly, those actions must NEVER matter at that moment in that situation, and I'm afraid they often do in the mindset of the aggressor. "You just slept with the whole hotel, you can;t possibly be saying NO to me." "You're dressed like that, you can't possibly mean NO". "You came to my room, you can't possibly mean NO."

I'm making no judgement on whether she actually did say NO or not, just saying it's a barrier that must never, ever be crossed if it is said, regardless of before or after actions.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Back to my original point of NO means NO regardless of actions before or after:
Those actions usually do matter when the judgement call is in the court of public opinion, rightly or wrongly. They usually do not matter in the court of law.

More importantly, those actions must NEVER matter at that moment in that situation, and I'm afraid they often do in the mindset of the aggressor. "You just slept with the whole hotel, you can;t possibly be saying NO to me." "You're dressed like that, you can't possibly mean NO". "You came to my room, you can't possibly mean NO."

I'm making no judgement on whether she actually did say NO or not, just saying it's a barrier that must never, ever be crossed if it is said, regardless of before or after actions.

Right , but character and evidence does factor in to whether you believe they are being truthful. I never stated anything otherwise.