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Way too overhyped by our fanbase.

Dude is a loser.
I think a lot of Tennessee fans have Stockholm Syndrome about Kiffin.

I'm at a loss trying to figure out where the temptation to ask him to come back comes from. It certainly can't come from how he performed at USC. Maybe from his performance as OC at Alabama under Saban? But even that ended poorly; Saban thought he was distracted by the new FAU job and asked him to leave before the national title game.

I guess I could understand it if Kiffin were still at USC (or had since left for some other big school) and had the program humming, but he hasn't done anything approaching that.

If Kiffin didn't leave Tennessee after a year, he probably would have had us at 8-9 wins after a few years. Then he would have likely been fired due to rampant NCAA violations and had us on probation for multiple years.
 
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You do understand the circumstances he inherited at SC, right? I'm not defending the guy or anything he did here but to say he failed at SC is a clear misunderstanding of what transpired after he took over.
What's funny is that he produced his best years right when they were in the thick of those sanctions (2010 and 2011). Once they were in the clear of those, they actually got worse.

USC was preseason #1 and pulled a top 10 recruiting class in 2012, and had Matt Barkley (preseason Heisman favorite) returning along with 3 future NFL wide receivers (Robert Woods, Marquise Lee, Nelson Agholor). They went 7-6.
 
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What's funny is that he produced his best years right when they were in the thick of those sanctions (2010 and 2011). Once they were in the clear of those, they actually got worse.

USC was preseason #1 and pulled a top 10 recruiting class in 2012, and had Matt Barkley (preseason Heisman favorite) returning along with 3 future NFL wide receivers (Robert Woods, Marquise Lee, Nelson Agholor). They went 7-6.
However they didn't feel the weight of those sanctions until about 2 years after the were given. Loss of scholarships don't immediately have an effect, in terms of quality depth anyways.
 
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However they didn't feel the weight of those sanctions until about 2 years after the were given. Loss of scholarships don't immediately have an effect, in terms of quality depth anyways.
That would be a valid argument if he recruited horribly in 2010 and 2011, but USC had the 3rd ranked recruiting classes in 2010 and 2011. In 2013 they were 8th and in 2014 they were 10th. His results on the field and on the recruiting trail got worse as the sanctions ended.

That 7-6 mark with the team he fielded in 2012 was a massive underachievement. At the end of the 2012 season and into 2013, he lost the team and they totally fell apart, just as the sanctions were over. IMO, Kiffin benefited from having the momentum Carroll created stay on for a couple years, and then once it was truly "his team" he struggled.

Kiffin is a good OC and can be a good HC at a po-dunk school. To allow him to be any more than that is suicide for a program.
 
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You do understand the circumstances he inherited at SC, right? I'm not defending the guy or anything he did here but to say he failed at SC is a clear misunderstanding of what transpired after he took over.
False. They went 6-2 after he was fired including a win over 5th ranked Stanford. Terrible argument
 
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What's funny is that he produced his best years right when they were in the thick of those sanctions (2010 and 2011). Once they were in the clear of those, they actually got worse.

USC was preseason #1 and pulled a top 10 recruiting class in 2012, and had Matt Barkley (preseason Heisman favorite) returning along with 3 future NFL wide receivers (Robert Woods, Marquise Lee, Nelson Agholor). They went 7-6.
He started getting outcoached. Georgia Tech (losing record) owned the field against his team at the Sun Bowl. Writing on the wall. He’s good at building up the hope, but other coaches figure him out. Expect that at FAU also.
 
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What's funny is that he produced his best years right when they were in the thick of those sanctions (2010 and 2011). Once they were in the clear of those, they actually got worse.

USC was preseason #1 and pulled a top 10 recruiting class in 2012, and had Matt Barkley (preseason Heisman favorite) returning along with 3 future NFL wide receivers (Robert Woods, Marquise Lee, Nelson Agholor). They went 7-6.
To be fair, the problem wasn't a lack of talent, it was a lack of depth that became more and more prevalent the longer into the sanctions they went. It was never about the talent. It was that they couldn't fill out classes so they filled the bottom side of their roster with walk-ons. They had top level talent at starter positions, but in the depth chart, there were holes everywhere. It made the stars play more snaps than you'd want. The lack of scholarships doesn't do you in at the beginning. It kills you on the back end.
 
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To be fair, the problem wasn't a lack of talent, it was a lack of depth that became more and more prevalent the longer into the sanctions they went. It was never about the talent. It was that they couldn't fill out classes so they filled the bottom side of their roster with walk-ons. They had top level talent at starter positions, but in the depth chart, there were holes everywhere. It made the stars play more snaps than you'd want. The lack of scholarships doesn't do you in at the beginning. It kills you on the back end.
247, which is a composite ranking, ranked his classes 3rd, 3rd, 8th, and 10th in the country. 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 2nd in the Pac 12. If there "were holes everywhere," how were the composite rankings that high?

Kiffin is a joke of a head coach and cannot handle a big time program.
 
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247, which is a composite ranking, ranked his classes 3rd, 3rd, 8th, and 10th in the country. 1st, 1st, 2nd, and 2nd in the Pac 12. If there "were holes everywhere," how were the composite rankings that high?

Kiffin is a joke of a head coach and cannot handle a big time program.
His classes ranked high because they brought in talented players with the few scholarships he had available. That doesn't take into account the small size of his classes. With what he COULD offer, he got great talent. But that doesn't fill out a roster when you can only bring in 15 instead of 25 players and then, what, 18 of 25, then 20 of 25. Those amount of bodies add up quickly and slowly strangle you.
 
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2009 was the last time we saw a coach on the sidelines for TN that understood X's and O's. I am not saying he is a great coach, he isnt. But he is a decent coach.
 
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His classes ranked high because they brought in talented players with the few scholarships he had available. That doesn't take into account the small size of his classes. With what he COULD offer, he got great talent. But that doesn't fill out a roster when you can only bring in 15 instead of 25 players and then, what, 18 of 25, then 20 of 25. Those amount of bodies add up quickly and slowly strangle you.
I'm pretty sure those rankings take into account the size of classes. If a school brought in 5 5-star recruits and that was it, they wouldn't have the #1 recruiting class by virtue of having the highest average star rating.
 

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