Kevin Steele and Vols Officially Part Ways

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Well everyone on here that knows me, knows that I love coach Fulmer for what he done for me my time on the hill. However this has to be the dumbest **** I've ever seen, paying a man that did nothing, this hire should've never happened. Coach knew there was a possibility Pruitt would be fired but he was planning on being here and Steele was going to be Head coach or acting HC at the least. I'm really glad this didn't happen and believe the right decision was made.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
How much of the information in the investigation will be part of public records and be subject to being requested by anyone? What do you think would come out in court that is not in UT;s and the NCAA's hands already? I am sure some names might have to be redacted, but how do they keep it out of the public eye? Lawyer types jump in here please. If the bad acts were limited to the 10 folks let go who would need protecting?
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boosters that provide millions to the university.. they won't be named in the investigation but would under oath.. those "employees" were not using their funds IMO

and the report will be made public...
 
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If I ran my business like we have been running our athletic program I would be done.

I really hope we finally have folks that have a clue, a shred of common sense, and tad bit of business acumen.
 
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LWSVOL said:
boosters that provide millions to the university.. they won't be named in the investigation but would under oath.. those "employees" were not using their funds IMO

and the report will be made public...
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If these folks were moving booster money not on the books, how did they document 50 violations during the internal investigation. Not saying it was not ALSO going on, but that would be out of sight out of mind I would think.... You don't think they were keeping a secret book do you?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Auburn was already paying him the 900K. He didn't get any additional money taking the UT job. UT just took over part of Auburn's burden. So he has not reason to be sending Fulmer anything and likely won't. He made the same money coming to Tennessee he would have made had he just sat at home in Auburn. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I agree, but UT paid out a lot for the time he was here.
 
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butchna said:
She supposed to micromanage him?
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I would think he made darn few moves of consequence without her after the START of the internal investigation. That was her show, not CPF's. Bet they were having double secret meetings right up to the day they accepted his resignation. Even then he was to stay on till the new AD was named.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I would think he made darn few moves of consequence without her after the START of the internal investigation. That was her show, not CPF's. Bet they were having double secret meetings right up to the day they accepted his resignation. Even then he was to stay on till the new AD was named.
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I bet she had no idea she was going to have to cut HIM loose. The investigation was no SHOW. It was a professional response that she handed over to professionals.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
If these folks were moving booster money not on the books, how did they document 50 violations during the internal investigation. Not saying it was not ALSO going on, but that would be out of sight out of mind I would think.... You don't think they were keeping a secret book do you?
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no idea. someone talking. players that got money or someone that saw it.. just guessing.. hope the how things happened is in report.
 
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butchna said:
I bet she had no idea she was going to have to cut HIM loose. The investigation was no SHOW. It was a professional response that she handed over to professionals.
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I believe this is exactly the case. It was a fluid situation. It was revealed that the university secured the services of the vetting agency about a week before all of this became public. With that in mind, I would speculate that the decision was made that Fulmer was part of the problem maybe a day or two before that, which was long after Steele was hired.

You have to consider that everyone, including Fulmer, would have been in full blown CYA mode, so it reasonable to think she was getting facts and responding in real time.
 
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I guess they have lots of money cause really dumb to pay a guy 1.8 million for two years and he doesn't have to even show up for work. Nice to have if you can get it and only at Tennessee.
 
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butchna said:
I argued with somebody who said that if he were promoted to DC, Auburn would sue us for paying too little. $450 k for an experienced DC is a bargain. That was the intent when he was hired. NO ONE knew Pruitt AND Fulmer would be gone...or even suspected. If Fulmer hadn’t been forced out, this was our new HC. Yes it sucks, but this was your OPINION then and revisionist spun knowledge now. Don’t cheat and breathe on us now! 😉
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Lmao.

It was just another disaster from Fulmer. That cheating POS shouldn’t be allowed in Knoxville
 
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volsknx said:
The single worst thing is all of that money spent and absolutely nothing to show for it!
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Well at least they got rid of Pruitt with no buyout. Much better for UT to pay Steele the 900k, and not pay Pruitt 13 million.
 
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Steele's buyout should be coming out of that insane amount that Fulmer is being paid to go away. Still pisses me off they just let him resign like it was his decision. No one believes that.
 
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I hear Ole Les is on the way out at Kansas. Maybe they help us out and put Steele on staff.
 
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butchna said:
I don’t think Pruitt being fired was in the realm of possibilities when Steele was hired. Ansley was for sure gone and most likely Niedermeyer...at least as ILB’s coach. So this was a straight up DC/LB’s hire and at $450 k a damn good value! Then the rest and it wasn’t.
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My understanding was Steele was hired on January 12 and Pruitt was fired on January 18. I think the administration had a pretty high degree of confidence that Pruitt likely was going to be fired when they hired Steele. Or, at the very least, it was quite possible. Thus the need for a backup plan.
 
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butchna said:
She supposed to micromanage him?
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Personally, I don't think hiring Steele (or any potential interim) was Fulmer's idea. I think the chancellor and president, knowing the rough extent of the NCAA violations, went to Fulmer and told him the university needed to think about alternatives to how this would play out, and that an insurance policy was needed. I wouldn't be surprised if Fulmer suggested Steele as a candidate, since Fulmer knows Steele and was already very familiar with him. But I don't think the idea of bringing in an interim in waiting was Fulmer's idea. Just a guess.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
Personally, I don't think hiring Steele (or any potential interim) was Fulmer's idea. I think the chancellor and president, knowing the rough extent of the NCAA violations, went to Fulmer and told him the university needed to think about alternatives to how this would play out, and that an insurance policy was needed. I wouldn't be surprised if Fulmer suggested Steele as a candidate, since Fulmer knows Steele and was already very familiar with him. But I don't think the idea of bringing in an interim in waiting was Fulmer's idea. Just a guess.
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I agree with you, especially based on the nature of the violations that were reported. In the past, UT looked to Jim Chaney to serve as interim HC. Chaney avidly admits that he loves UT, Knoxville and planned on retiring here. I believe that Randy and Donde felt they had to go outside of the program because they did not fully understand who all was involved with Mc $. Phil knew Steele well and he almost landed the Auburn job.

 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
Personally, I don't think hiring Steele (or any potential interim) was Fulmer's idea. I think the chancellor and president, knowing the rough extent of the NCAA violations, went to Fulmer and told him the university needed to think about alternatives to how this would play out, and that an insurance policy was needed. I wouldn't be surprised if Fulmer suggested Steele as a candidate, since Fulmer knows Steele and was already very familiar with him. But I don't think the idea of bringing in an interim in waiting was Fulmer's idea. Just a guess.
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I think it was all Fulmer with agreement from Pruitt. No one higher up had any notion that the violations were firing worthy. This was a hiring to shore up the defense since Ansley was for sure gone. Looked like a good move (cept for Pruitt coming back) when we landed Bryant and retained Brooks. Plus it was the first move towards hiring Garner imo.
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
My understanding was Steele was hired on January 12 and Pruitt was fired on January 18. I think the administration had a pretty high degree of confidence that Pruitt likely was going to be fired when they hired Steele. Or, at the very least, it was quite possible. Thus the need for a backup plan.
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Pruitt was fired on Jan 18...the weekend after his second meeting with investigators. Whatever was gleaned from that meeting determined his fate imo. Til then I think the plan was he was returning.
 
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Perspective said:
Lmao.

It was just another disaster from Fulmer. That cheating POS shouldn’t be allowed in Knoxville
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When he was a candidate for AD in the search that ended up with Currie, I didn’t advocafor him because I thought he’d have to learn on the job...especially the business side. And that would be a huge disadvantage. After he took over and seemingly salvaged everything, I admitted my wrong gladly. By now I’m tired of walking back my walkbacks and will allow every to fall on their face value.
 
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I don't understand why didn't just go ahead and keep Coach Steele on the staff...even though we hired a new defensive coordinator, it shouldn't have mattered because Coach Steele was hired without a specific position coach. At a minimum we could have just kept him as an analyst or sideline assistant. There's no harm in having extra coaches. He was already under contract anyways. Now that he is fired, we are essentially just paying him for nothing.
 
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