Kevin Steele and Vols Officially Part Ways

#76
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Not taking up for Pruitt here but I can see how he wants to sue for his buyout. UT gives Fulmer, who was publicly given a pass instead of being fired, is still getting big $ for screwing everything up. Pruitt can argue, yeah I screwed everything up to so what not pay me.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Not taking up for Pruitt here but I can see how he wants to sue for his buyout. UT gives Fulmer, who was publicly given a pass instead of being fired, is still getting big $ for screwing everything up. Pruitt can argue, yeah I screwed everything up to so what not pay me.
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If Pruitt doesn't sue contesting that his actions did not justify "cause," then he is all but admitting that they did, which means he better learn to love coaching in the NFL, because it will be a long time before the NCAA lets him around college players.

He's not just suing for the money, he is suing for his career.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Not taking up for Pruitt here but I can see how he wants to sue for his buyout. UT gives Fulmer, who was publicly given a pass instead of being fired, is still getting big $ for screwing everything up. Pruitt can argue, yeah I screwed everything up to so what not pay me.
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Your right! Thinking about Fulmer’s decisions the last few years makes me despise him. He went from a high pedestal to a garbage dumpster in the way I view him. Wish he would have never come back. This sucks!
 
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MrWiz said:
Your right! Thinking about Fulmer’s decisions the last few years makes me despise him. He went from a high pedestal to a garbage dumpster in the way I view him. Wish he would have never come back. This sucks!
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Fulmer just seemed to get stuck in the 90's and refuse to see much less evolve with changes in the game. He tried things that programs got away with in the 90's. He hired a coach that might have been great in the 90's with that style of play.
 
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MrWiz said:
Your right! Thinking about Fulmer’s decisions the last few years makes me despise him. He went from a high pedestal to a garbage dumpster in the way I view him. Wish he would have never come back. This sucks!
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I don't hold it against Fulmer at all for hiring Steele. When he made the hire, I honestly believe he did not see himself going down with the ship, even if he knew it was sinking.
 
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butchna said:
We know why he was brought on. He’s Fulmer’s boy. This was either DC/Associate HC or HC all the way. And yes...”one day after”. Did you say “finishing touches” in your ORIGINAL POST? It’s ok...we know. 😉 Minds were nowhere near MADE UP when the hire was made. I wasn’t enthused, because I thought it guaranteed at least one more season of Pruitt. Your objection over how much he was paid to be a coach on staff wasn’t based in reality. Even if he was merely LB’s coach, $450 k was lowballing. All I know related to various reactions on this board, is there is no such thing as UNIVERSALLY PRAISED decisions. We will find a way to bisch! Paid Butch to be an intern but didn’t offer intern pay to a proven coordinator and position coach that would’ve set off BS alerts across the conference. Paid Fulmer, Dooley and Butch their buyouts but refused to pay one that got caught with violations. I could see Plowman being wary of moves from White, but she’s proven that she backs her AD until she can’t. That’s what we’ve needed for forever and a day. Boyd ain’t firing her so you guys can stop your yapping.
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Just last week I was running my mouth about how being right is most important to some, and somebody wanted to argue about it. If I cared enough I would try to figure out who that was so I could go ask for an apology. Because I was right dadgummit and I want people to know!!!!
 
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As far as the OP, It is what it is. We've got enough other stuff to worry, cry, get excited about etc. that this should be at the bottom of the list. Imo.

Spring practice is around the corner.
 
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It’s examples like this that make me laugh at people and media who say the UT fan base is toxic and scary.

Walk a mile in our shoes. There isn’t another fan base in this country that has had to deal with the blatant incompetence that we have for over 10 years.
 
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Behr said:
Just last week I was running my mouth about how being right is most important to some, and somebody wanted to argue about it. If I cared enough I would try to figure out who that was so I could go ask for an apology. Because I was right dadgummit and I want people to know!!!!
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It’s the martyr aspect that brings out the waterworks for me. 😢
 
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OK, I am going to be the odd man out here and say I think that hiring Steele was the right thing for the admin to do.

You have to put yourself in the shoes of the administration at the time they found out about the NCAA violations. At that point, no one knew what was going to happen, but that it was very likely that Pruitt would be fired, and more than likely that Fulmer would be fired or "retired". National signing day is looming. How long would it take to hire a new AD? And then after that how long would it take to hire a new head football coach? There was no way to know.

At that point, with signing day coming, what do you do? Nothing? Sit on your hands and "hope" you can quickly hire an AD and football coach before signing day? Instead, why not try to have in place a credible back-up coach who can serve as an interim if the need arises. By "credible" I mean a good football coach with SEC experience and ties to the University, and who the administration would be comfortable with. And one who could be hired for a relative pittance.

Steele was a relatively low cost insurance policy. If he had not been in place, and things turned out differently (White not quickly hired, and then Heupel), people on this forum would be blasting the administration for not being prepared and not having a back up plan.

Steele's hire only looks stupid with the benefit of total hindsight. It's easy to judge when you look backwards. Unfortunately those having to make decisions in real time don't have that abillity.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
If Pruitt doesn't sue contesting that his actions did not justify "cause," then he is all but admitting that they did, which means he better learn to love coaching in the NFL, because it will be a long time before the NCAA lets him around college players.

He's not just suing for the money, he is suing for his career.
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he will. it will never see court.. he will be paid something.. probably a huge percentage of it.. there are high powered people that do not want this in a courtroom or even having people deposed. they do NOT want their names out there..
 
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MAUSERWERKE said:
OK, I am going to be the odd man out here and say I think that hiring Steele was the right thing for the admin to do.

You have to put yourself in the shoes of the administration at the time they found out about the NCAA violations. At that point, no one knew what was going to happen, but that it was very likely that Pruitt would be fired, and more than likely that Fulmer would be fired or "retired". National signing day is looming. How long would it take to hire a new AD? And then after that how long would it take to hire a new head football coach? There was no way to know.

At that point, with signing day coming, what do you do? Nothing? Sit on your hands and "hope" you can quickly hire an AD and football coach before signing day? Instead, why not try to have in place a credible back-up coach who can serve as an interim if the need arises. By "credible" I mean a good football coach with SEC experience and ties to the University, and who the administration would be comfortable with. And one who could be hired for a relative pittance.

Steele was a relatively low cost insurance policy. If he had not been in place, and things turned out differently (White not quickly hired, and then Heupel), people on this forum would be blasting the administration for not being prepared and not having a back up plan.

Steele's hire only looks stupid with the benefit of total hindsight. It's easy to judge when you look backwards. Unfortunately those having to make decisions in real time don't have that abillity.
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I don’t think Pruitt being fired was in the realm of possibilities when Steele was hired. Ansley was for sure gone and most likely Niedermeyer...at least as ILB’s coach. So this was a straight up DC/LB’s hire and at $450 k a damn good value! Then the rest and it wasn’t.
 
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Did Fulmer hire him completely on his own without consulting the Chancellor or President? Doesn’t someone in the fiscal management department have to sign off on the money before he was hired?

This is confusing. It is obvious Fulmer brought him here. I have read some of you think to angle back into coaching. But, how much of this is totally on his own? Did she just give him complete authority to do what ever he wanted??
 
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volsknx said:
Did Fulmer hire him completely on his own without consulting the Chancellor or President? Doesn’t someone in the fiscal management department have to sign off on the money before he was hired?

This is confusing. It is obvious Fulmer brought him here. I have read some of you think to angle back into coaching. But, how much of this is totally on his own? Did she just give him complete authority to do what ever he wanted??
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She supposed to micromanage him?
 
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LWSVOL said:
he will. it will never see court.. he will be paid something.. probably a huge percentage of it.. there are high powered people that do not want this in a courtroom or even having people deposed. they do NOT want their names out there..
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How much of the information in the investigation will be part of public records and be subject to being requested by anyone? What do you think would come out in court that is not in UT;s and the NCAA's hands already? I am sure some names might have to be redacted, but how do they keep it out of the public eye? Lawyer types jump in here please. If the bad acts were limited to the 10 folks let go who would need protecting?
 
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butchna said:
She supposed to micromanage him?
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It just seemed as dumb as that hire was, someone somewhere would have put the brakes on it. If not her fully knowing what he was doing then she should have when and/or if she signed off on it!
 
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volsknx said:
It just seemed as dumb as that hire was, someone somewhere would have put the brakes on it. If not her fully knowing what he was doing then she should have when and/or if she signed off on it!
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Doing what we’ve wanted our Chancellors to do since Cheek showed us how not to do it. Let the football people do their job.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
How much of the information in the investigation will be part of public records and be subject to being requested by anyone? What do you think would come out in court that is not in UT;s and the NCAA's hands already? I am sure some names might have to be redacted, but how do they keep it out of the public eye? Lawyer types jump in here please. If the bad acts were limited to the 10 folks let go who would need protecting?
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Saber rattling. If there’s something that isn’t detailed in the investigation, Pruitt should keep it buried...if he ever wants options.
 
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