Kentucky writer argues for SEC realignment

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TAF said:
Uh...until this year...Tennessee was an SEC East "Bottom Dweller" for pretty much last 8-10 years...ya know...?

Be that as it may...the article is dumb. IMO
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Well, Adams wrote the article after the 2015 regular season ended and it is obvious UT is no longer an SEC East bottom feeder...ya know?
 
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bamawriter said:
It's been said before:

In the 90s, the East had the two best teams in the conference. The East also had the three worst teams. In the 24 years of divisional play, the West has been better, top to bottom, in all but maybe 5 or 6 seasons.
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you're welcome,

kentucky & vandy
 
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LordBolton said:
I remember not that long ago it was just the opposite. You had Tennessee and Florida, then Georgia, then the rest of the SEC, then Kentucky and Vanderbilt. It will be that way again once Saban is gone from Alabama.
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You don't remember that, because it didn't occur. When UT and UF were on top, UGA was middle of the pack at best. And the other half of the East brought up the rear.
 
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gunner said:
They need to get rid of the divisions just like in basketball and let the top 2 teams play for the SEC Title in the SECCG!
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What if you end up with 3 teams sporting similar/identical records? Without divisions, the Big 10 would've been a mess this season.
 
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bamawriter said:
What's their record against everyone else? They sucked less than Vandy and UK, but they still sucked.
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True. I guess there has always been a clear gap between UGA/UT/UF and UK/VU/USCjr. But a gap between USCjr and UK/VU as well. You're correct.
 
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LittleCat said:
True. I guess there has always been a clear gap between UGA/UT/UF and UK/VU/USCjr. But a gap between USCjr and UK/VU as well. You're correct.
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In all honesty, the inequity between the divisions isn't the big reason why I want to see divisions go away. The gap between East and West has never been bigger than the past 5 or 6 years, and Bama has done just fine.

My issue is that it takes twelve years to cycle thru the conference. That's just nuts. Since 2009, Bama has had more regular season games with Virginia Tech than they have with Georgia.
 
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They need to get rid of the divisions just like in basketball and let the top 2 teams play for the SEC Title in the SECCG!

Even dumber than realignment. Frankly, I think it has hurt SEC basketball. Even though KY dominates the entire league, playing for a division championship against division rivals is much better than an unbalanced 14 team league. I realize the overall SEC schedule was unbalanced but having home and home vs Fla, Ga and SC was better than home and home with Miss State one year, Ole Miss the next and aTm the following.

I know the SEC has "fixed" losing the Ky home and home for Tennessee and Vandy, who really gives a **** about where you finish in SEC basketball anymore?
 
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bamawriter said:
You don't remember that, because it didn't occur. When UT and UF were on top, UGA was middle of the pack at best. And the other half of the East brought up the rear.
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I'd check out 1997 and 1998. I don't recall what Fla's rankings were but they were pretty good and uga was 14th and 10th in those seasons in final rankings and Vols were in top 10 in 1997 and ......well..you know in 1998. Tennessee played Auburn in SECCG game in '97 and Miss St in '98. Neither were as good as those Florida or UGA teams those seasons.
 
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I agree that Kentucky and Vandy should realign...to another conference...say, like the...Colonial...:thud:

GO VOLS!
 
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bamawriter said:
Assuming that they would have played the exact same schedules without divisions.
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Of course.

I dont care about the divisions. There are a bunch of reasons for that.

If you are the best in the league, you win.

I dont want the 9 game shcedule because of florida state.

I am for realignment because with the addition of Missouri, it's one more game on the schedule i dont give a damn about
 
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wmcovol said:
I'd check out 1997 and 1998. I don't recall what Fla's rankings were but they were pretty good and uga was 14th and 10th in those seasons in final rankings and Vols were in top 10 in 1997 and ......well..you know in 1998. Tennessee played Auburn in SECCG game in '97 and Miss St in '98. Neither were as good as those Florida or UGA teams those seasons.
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Auburn beat UGA by two scores in '97 and finished ranked right behind them only because they had an extra loss in the SECCG. So Auburn was definitely better than UGA that season. And #13 LSU beat Florida.

'98 is a fine case, but like I said earlier, there are only 5 or 6 yeara out of 24 where the East was better top to bottom than the West.
 
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bamawriter said:
Auburn beat UGA by two scores in '97 and finished ranked right behind them only because they had an extra loss in the SECCG. So Auburn was definitely better than UGA that season. And #13 LSU beat Florida.

'98 is a fine case, but like I said earlier, there are only 5 or 6 yeara out of 24 where the East was better top to bottom than the West.
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The key is "top to bottom"

Most years there are three bye weeks out of the SEC East
 
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99gator said:
The key is "top to bottom"

Most years there are three bye weeks out of the SEC East
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Yep.

In 24 years of divisional play, there have been 17 0-8 conference records. 12 of those winless seasons belong to the East, and only 5 belong to the West.
 
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99gator said:
The key is "top to bottom"

Most years there are three bye weeks out of the SEC East
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This. I'm not sure why people are struggling with this. The top teams aren't the issue. The problem is Vanderbilt is not a SEC quality program. It would be tougher to play a mid tier G5 team every year than Vandy. It really is like only playing a 7 game conference schedule. There really isn't a way to realign that problem away, because wherever Vandy is, that division immediately becomes easier that the other.
 
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I want an easier path so make it north and south divisions. North would be UT, UK, Vandy, Mizzoo, Arky, USCe, and either UGA or Ole Miss.
 
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02rk59 said:
The divisions should've been realigned when Texas A&M and Missouri joined the conference. It makes no sense for Missouri to be in the east. Probably would have made sense to bring Auburn over to the east and put both the new teams in the west but that would've caused a problem with long time rivals.
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West Division teams didn't want Auburn in the East, TN & Alabama still wanted to play each other annually, and Alabama and Auburn still wanted to play each other annually.


It wasn't as terribly a simple solution as people seem to like to make it out to be.
 
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LordBolton said:
I remember not that long ago it was just the opposite. You had Tennessee and Florida, then Georgia, then the rest of the SEC, then Kentucky and Vanderbilt. It will be that way again once Saban is gone from Alabama.
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In the 90s it would have been more like UF and UT, then Bama, then a big drop to UGA, and the rest.
 
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wmcovol said:
I'd check out 1997 and 1998. I don't recall what Fla's rankings were but they were pretty good and uga was 14th and 10th in those seasons in final rankings and Vols were in top 10 in 1997 and ......well..you know in 1998. Tennessee played Auburn in SECCG game in '97 and Miss St in '98. Neither were as good as those Florida or UGA teams those seasons.
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UGA across the 90s (opponents have final ranking noted)

1990 - finished 4-7
(beat: Southern Miss, Alabama, ECU, Vanderbilt) (lost to: LSU, #9 Clemson, #21 Ole Miss, Kentucky, #13/#12 UF, #9 Auburn, #1/#2 GT)
-- beat 0 teams that were ranked at time of playing
--- finished tied for 8th in SEC


1991 - #25 at 8-3 at end of regular season, #17/#19 at 9-3 after the bowl game
(beat: FCS, LSU, #17/#18 Clemson, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Auburn, GT, Arkansas) (lost to: Vanderbilt, #5 Bama, and #7/#8 UF)
-- beat 3 teams that were ranked at time of playing (#6 Clemson, #23 Ole Miss, #10 Auburn)
--- finished tied for 4th in SEC


1992 - #9 at 9-2 end of regular season, #8 at 10-2 after bowl game
(beat: South Carolina, FCS, #16 Ole Miss, Arkansas, FCS, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Auburn, GT, #18/#19 Ohio St) (lost to: #12 UT, #10/#11 UF)
--beat 1 teams that was ranked at time of playing (Ohio State @ #15)
--- finished 2nd in the East (by losing tiebreaker); finished 3rd in SEC


1993 - finished 5-6
(beat: Texas Tech, Southern Miss, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, GT) (lost to: South Carolina, #11/#12 UT, Ole Miss, Arkansas, #4/#5 UF, #4 Auburn)
-- beat 0 teams that were ranked at time of playing
--- finished 5th in the East; finished 11th in SEC (by losing tiebreaker)


1994 - finished 6-4-1
(beat: South Carolina, FCS, Ole Miss, Clemson, Kentucky, GT) (tied: NR/#9 Auburn) (lost to: #18/#22 UT, #4/#5 Alabama, Vanderbilt, #7 UF)
-- beat 0 teams that were ranked at time of playing
--- finished 4th in East; finished 7th in SEC


1995 - finished 6-6
(beat: South Carolina, New Mexico St, Clemson, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, GT) (lost to: #2/#3 UT, Ole Miss, NR/#21 Alabama, #2/#3 UF, #21/#22 Auburn, #16/#17 Virginia)
-- beat 0 teams that were ranked at time of playing
--- finished 3rd in East; finished 8th in SEC (by losing tiebreaker)


1996 - finished 5-6
(beat: Texas Tech, Miss St, Vanderbilt, #24/#25 Auburn, GT) (lost to: Southern Miss, South Carolina, #9 UT, Kentucky, #1 UF, Ole Miss)
-- beat 1 team that was ranked at time of playing (#20 Auburn 4OT)
--- finished 5th in East (by losing tiebreaker); finished 8th in SEC


1997 - #9 at 9-2 end of regular season, #10 at 10-2 after bowl game
(beat: FCS, South Carolina, FCS, Miss St, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, #4/#6 UF, #22 Ole Miss, NR/#25 GT, Wisconsin) (lost to: #7/#8 UT, #11 Auburn)
-- beat 1 team that was ranked at time of playing (#6 UF)
--- finished 2nd in East (by winning tiebreaker); finished tied w/ LSU for 3rd in conference (so 3rd or 4th in SEC)


1998 - #19 at 8-3 end of regular season, #14 at 9-3 after bowl game
(beat: Kent State, South Carolina, Wyoming, LSU, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Auburn, Ole Miss, #18 Virginia) (lost to: #1 UT, #5/#6 UF, #9/#11 GT )
-- beat 2 teams that were ranked at time of playing (#6 LSU, #12 Virginia)
--- finished 3rd in East; finished tied w/ Miss St and Arkansas for 3rd in SEC (so 3rd, 4th, or 5th in conference)


1999 - #23 at 7-4 at end of regular season, #16 at 8-4 after bowl game
(beat: Utah State, South Carolina, Central Florida, LSU, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, #22 Ole Miss, NR/#25 Purdue) (lost to: #9 UT, #12/#14 UF, Auburn, #19/#20 GT)
-- beat 2 teams that were ranked at time of playing (#16 Ole Miss, #19 Purdue)
--- finished 3rd in East; finished 5th in SEC


2000 - #24 at 7-4 at end of regular season, #20 at 8-4 after bowl game
(beat: FCS, New Mexico State, Arkansas, NR/#25 UT, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Virginia) (lost to: #19/#21 South Carolina, #10/#11 UF, #15/#20 Auburn, #17/#19 GT)
-- beat 1 team that was ranked at time of playing (#21 UT)
--- finished tied with USCe and UT for 2nd in East (so 2nd, 3rd, or 4th); finished tied with LSU, UT, and USCe for 3rd in SEC (so 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th)


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During this period, UGA:


  • finished ranked in the top 10: 2 times
  • finished ranked in the top 15: 3 times
  • highest SEC finish: 3rd
  • highest SEC East finish: 2nd (1992, 1997)
  • SEC East titles: 0
  • SEC Championships: 0
  • Bowls: 6
  • Record vs teams ranked at end of season: 11-34-1 (0.239)
  • Record vs teams ranked when played: 11-32-1 (0.250)
  • went 1-10 against UF
  • went 1-10 against UT
  • went 1-3 against Alabama
  • went 4-6-1 against Auburn
  • went 7-4 against Ole Miss
  • went 3-1 against Arkansas
  • went 3-1 against LSU
  • went 2-0 against Miss. St.
  • went 6-3 against South Carolina
  • went 9-2 against Kentucky
  • went 9-2 against Vanderbilt
  • went 7-4 against GA Tech
  • Record in conference: 45-40-1 (0.523)
  • Record overall: 80-47-1 (0.625)
 
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