Kentucky writer argues for SEC realignment

#51
#51
HuntlandVolinColo said:
Auburn used to play Tennessee and Florida every year for many decades. They lost those rivalries, Tennessee by choice (which is why we briefly had Alabama and Arkansas every year) and Florida when they went to SECWest.
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Thank you. I learned something today. Never thought the source would be VolNation lol:eek:lol:
 
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#52
#52
VOLINVONORE said:
If you want to change things, move Missouri and Vandy to the West and replace them with Auburn and Alabama to the East.
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Geographically, it would make since but that would totally flip the division power from West to East.

Preserve rivalries and traditional games for SECEast 3.0:

Al-Aub
TN-Al
Geo-Aub
Fl-Aub
TN-Aub
TN-FL
Fl-Geo
TN-Geo
SC-Geo
TN-SC

In the West:

All the LSU/Ark/Ole Miss/MissSt/aTm rivalries intact with Mizzou which has ties to aTm and Ark added in.

TN could select Vandy and Ole Miss (if 2nd cross division game is needed).
AL: Ole Miss and or LSU
Ky: MissST and or Vandy
Aub: Ark and or aTm
Geo: aTm and or MissST
SC: Mizzou and or Ark
FL: LSU and or Mizzou

All in all, I prefer a 16 team four division SEC with 9 games (3 division, 3 cross team rivalries-one in each division and rotate games against the three divisions-other 3 non-cross rivalry teams).

This would result in two extra championship games 1vs4, 2vs3, & Winners. This would be a boat load of extra revenue and we could add Virginias/MD and North Carolina to our SEC Prime Revenue footprint. If we go West instead, then we could add Oklahoma/Kansas instead but Mizzou already grazes Kansas market.

North:
TN
Ky
Vandy
West Virginia or Virginia

East:
SC
Fl
Geo
NCSt

South:
Ala
MissSt
Ole Miss
Aub

West:
aTm
LSU
Ark
Mizzou
 
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#54
#54
HuntlandVolinColo said:
Geographically, it would make since but that would totally flip the division power from West to East.

Preserve rivalries and traditional games for SECEast 3.0:

Al-Aub
TN-Al
Geo-Aub
Fl-Aub
TN-Aub
TN-FL
Fl-Geo
TN-Geo
SC-Geo
TN-SC

In the West:

All the LSU/Ark/Ole Miss/MissSt/aTm rivalries intact with Mizzou which has ties to aTm and Ark added in.

TN could select Vandy and Ole Miss (if 2nd cross division game is needed).
AL: Ole Miss and or LSU
Ky: MissST and or Vandy
Aub: Ark and or aTm
Geo: aTm and or MissST
SC: Mizzou and or Ark
FL: LSU and or Mizzou

All in all, I prefer a 16 team four division SEC with 9 games (3 division, 3 cross team rivalries-one in each division and rotate games against the three divisions-other 3 teams).

This would result in two extra championship games 1vs4, 2vs3, Winners which would be extra revenue and we could add Virginias/MD and North Carolina to our SEC Prime Revenue footprint. If we go West instead, then we could add Oklahoma/Kansas instead but Mizzou already grazes Kansas market.

North:
TN
Ky
Vandy
West Virginia or Virginia

East:
SC
Fl
Geo
NCSt

South:
Ala
MissSt
Ole Miss
Aub

West:
aTm
LSU
Ark
Mizzou
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So where ever Bama is will be the power?
 
#55
#55
volgrad500 said:
Not going to happen, but it's a better discussion than the BS Manning reports.

Commentary: Time for SEC to realign football divisions | Lexington Herald-Leader

Thought this comment was laughable:

"The SEC West is the strongest division in college football. The SEC East is so far behind, it shouldn’t even qualify as a member of a Power Five conference." Also this gem:

"Take away Vanderbilt’s Golden Ages (from 2011 through 2013 under coach James Franklin) and the Commodores have had only one winning season since divisional play began in 1992."
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I'm not sure it's so much a division "realignment" article so much as it is the writer b--ching about how bad the East has recently been.
 
#56
#56
HuntlandVolinColo said:
Geographically, it would make since but that would totally flip the division power from West to East.

Preserve rivalries and traditional games for SECEast 3.0:

Al-Aub
TN-Al
Geo-Aub
Fl-Aub
TN-Aub
TN-FL
Fl-Geo
TN-Geo
SC-Geo
TN-SC

In the West:

All the LSU/Ark/Ole Miss/MissSt/aTm rivalries intact with Mizzou which has ties to aTm and Ark added in.

TN could select Vandy and Ole Miss (if 2nd cross division game is needed).
AL: Ole Miss and or LSU
Ky: MissST and or Vandy
Aub: Ark and or aTm
Geo: aTm and or MissST
SC: Mizzou and or Ark
FL: LSU and or Mizzou

All in all, I prefer a 16 team four division SEC with 9 games (3 division, 3 cross team rivalries-one in each division and rotate games against the three divisions-other 3 non-cross rivalry teams).

This would result in two extra championship games 1vs4, 2vs3, Winners which would be extra revenue and we could add Virginias/MD and North Carolina to our SEC Prime Revenue footprint. If we go West instead, then we could add Oklahoma/Kansas instead but Mizzou already grazes Kansas market.

North:
TN
Ky
Vandy
West Virginia or Virginia

East:
SC
Fl
Geo
NCSt

South:
Ala
MissSt
Ole Miss
Aub

West:
aTm
LSU
Ark
Mizzou
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This conference is not taking West Virginia; it serves the conference no benefit. Unless some governing body forces the SEC to invite and accept the Mountaineers, it's not happening.
 
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#60
HuntlandVolinColo said:
Geographically, it would make since but that would totally flip the division power from West to East.

Preserve rivalries and traditional games for SECEast 3.0:

Al-Aub
TN-Al
Geo-Aub
Fl-Aub
TN-Aub
TN-FL
Fl-Geo
TN-Geo
SC-Geo
TN-SC

In the West:

All the LSU/Ark/Ole Miss/MissSt/aTm rivalries intact with Mizzou which has ties to aTm and Ark added in.

TN could select Vandy and Ole Miss (if 2nd cross division game is needed).
AL: Ole Miss and or LSU
Ky: MissST and or Vandy
Aub: Ark and or aTm
Geo: aTm and or MissST
SC: Mizzou and or Ark
FL: LSU and or Mizzou

All in all, I prefer a 16 team four division SEC with 9 games (3 division, 3 cross team rivalries-one in each division and rotate games against the three divisions-other 3 non-cross rivalry teams).

This would result in two extra championship games 1vs4, 2vs3, & Winners. This would be a boat load of extra revenue and we could add Virginias/MD and North Carolina to our SEC Prime Revenue footprint. If we go West instead, then we could add Oklahoma/Kansas instead but Mizzou already grazes Kansas market.

North:
TN
Ky
Vandy
West Virginia or Virginia

East:
SC
Fl
Geo
NCSt

South:
Ala
MissSt
Ole Miss
Aub

West:
aTm
LSU
Ark
Mizzou
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The East is where the power should be.
 
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#61
VOLINVONORE said:
So. They don.t get everything they want, but I would guess they would want UK.
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They'd want TN. Permanent rivalries aren't set up based on who's the easiest opponent (or else LSU, Arkansas, and A&M would be fighting over that they should play Vanderbilt, not Ole Miss).
 
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#64
Maybe Pruit/kiffen/Saban chemistry will suck and they implode.

I'd love to see a Troll, a midget and a preppy go to blows on their sideline when we go up by 17 late in the game next year!
 
#66
#66
Volsfaninva917 said:
I vote to send Vandy and Kentucky packing and bring in a Clemson / Florida state combo.
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I'd vote for it too.

ACC already has Duke, Louisville, and UNC. We'd be able to keep those rivalries, and maybe even play 2 a year which would be good. We could finally play an easier conference in football, again keeping our UL rivalry, adding UNC/Duke.

We already have one instate team in the ACC, I wouldn't mind joining them.
 
#67
#67
The East should be:

Tennessee
Kentucky
*Auburn
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

*Auburn is even more East than Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt is the only team in East that is West of I40, but they are right on the line since I40 runs right near Vandie. Missouri is nearly the most western located school geographically. No reason they are in the East. Absolutely no reason.

But switching Auburn and Missouri only make UTs scedule more brutal. I believe Auburn is here to stay like always and Missouri will be back to being the door mat they were for 5 decades.

So I guess it's a plus now that Missouri is in the east.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Auburn used to play Tennessee and Florida every year for many decades. They lost those rivalries, Tennessee by choice (which is why we briefly had Alabama and Arkansas every year) and Florida when they went to SECWest.
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jonnon111 said:
Thank you. I learned something today. Never thought the source would be VolNation lol:eek:lol:
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Close, but not entirely correct. Along with playing Alabama, Vanderbilt, & Kentucky annually, Tennessee used to also play Auburn every year. Auburn also played Florida yearly, albeit in a stronger (and older) rivalry. Tennessee continued to play each team annually until 1991, the year before the SEC split into divisions.

After Arkansas and South Carolina joined the SEC, the conference split into two 6-team divisions, and adopted a scheduling method of 5 same-division games, 2 permanent opposite division games, and 1 rotating opposite division game (a home and home), or to put it simply: a 5-2-1 method of scheduling. Among its rivalries with the now East division teams, Auburn's rivalries with Georgia and Florida were both felt by the SEC to be the more significant ones and maintained as the 2 permanent opposite division opponents.

Tennessee was given Alabama as a permanent opposite divisional games, and Arkansas became our other permanent opposite division game. This came about from a combination of the SEC front offices pairing Tennessee with Arkansas mostly to try to create a natural rival which they hoped could "take off" as Arkansas and Tennessee shared a natural border (similar to why they paired Arkansas and Missouri now) and the SEC felt it balanced a bit better to have Ole Miss as UGA's 2nd permanent West opponent at (it's closer) rather than pairing them up with Arkansas (where there'd be even less connection).

(Other pairings included The offices included LSU w/ UF+UK, Bama w/ UT+Vandy, UGA w/ AUB+Ole Miss, UF w/ AUB+LSU, etc).



The conference kept the 5-2-1 schedule model for 10 years (from 1992-2002...that's why we played Arkansas every ). After that period, though, the conference teams and coaches voted to instead switch to a 5-1-2 model: 5 same division games, 1 permanent cross-divisional opponent, 2 rotating opposite division opponents. I'm not sure if this was done because it was felt teams weren't playing each other enough or if some coaches were upset that their schedules were regularly tougher than some others. When the new model was implemented, the UGA-AUB rivalry was felt to be the bigger rivalry and the SEC maintained it as the yearly East-West game between the two. This meant the until 2002 yearly UF-AUB matchup had to be dropped as an annual rivalry (and UF was paired with LSU).
 
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#69
#69
madbamahater said:
The East should be:

Tennessee
Kentucky
*Auburn
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
Vanderbilt

*Auburn is even more East than Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt is the only team in East that is West of I40, but they are right on the line since I40 runs right near Vandie. Missouri is nearly the most western located school geographically. No reason they are in the East. Absolutely no reason.

But switching Auburn and Missouri only make UTs scedule more brutal. I believe Auburn is here to stay like always and Missouri will be back to being the door mat they were for 5 decades.

So I guess it's a plus now that Missouri is in the east.
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Did you mean I-65?
 
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#71
Like this idea:

North:
TN
Ky
Vandy
West Virginia or Virginia

East:
SC
Fl
Geo
NCSt

South:
Ala
MissSt
Ole Miss
Aub

West:
aTm
LSU
Ark
Mizzou[/QUOTE]

but the proposed South division would be brutal and North relatively easy. SEC will go to 4 divisions in next 10 years IMO.
 
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#72
volgrad500 said:
I think the strongest knock against the East isn't against us, UGA, or FL, it's against the bottom tier. Where we really look weak in comparison is when you have to match up our bottom dwellers against the West's- Kentucky and Vandy against Ole Miss and MSU is completely lopsided. Like many have said, the top teams are cyclical, but the bottom teams pretty much stay the same, and that is where the disparity is imo.
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That's a very recent development though. We'll see how long those two will each maintain that level of success.
 
#73
#73
DeepSpringsVol said:
I came in here to put a like assuming the obvious and it doesnt mention Missouri being in East division is retarded?
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They had to go somewhere.


Probably slightly better since they actually share a very slight border with us and KY.


It's only Arkansas in the West, and A&M had to be a West team.
 
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