Kavanaugh Confirmation

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Democrats had better seriously consider the mid-term ramifications of not seating Kavanaugh. A lot of the reason that an incumbent President’s party loses seats is due to complacency. Blocking a SCOTUS nomination in such an overtly partisan way is a sure way to a awaken the masses.
 
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bamawriter said:
With you being a lawyer, I'm surprised you're so careless with a word like "corroborating."

Despite the length of the letter, the entirety of the "corroboration" is this sentence and a half: "This incident did happen. Many of us heard about it at school..."

Who did Ms King hear it from? What did that person know of the incident and how did he or she know it?

She spends more time talking about getting stood up by Mark Judge than she does "corroborating" the incident. I also find it interesting that she asked a guy to prom despite having heard that he participated in an attempted sexual assault.
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Again, this is not a trial and there is no bar on hearsay. It's not any sort of legal proceeding (although witness to the Senate are under oath). The statement that "many of us heard about it at school," if true, does corroborate Ford's story. Corroborate simply means to add support to a claim.

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Suppose you say you had Thanksgiving dinner with your relatives last year. But your wife adamantly maintains you skipped out on the dinner. I have no further information. But then your work friends tell me that you went on and on the following Monday about how insufferable it was to be with your relatives for Thanksgiving dinner. That story corroborates your claim that you had Thanksgiving dinner with your relatives last year. Does it definitively prove or establish it? No. But it certainly lends support--i.e., corroborates--your account.
 
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GAVol said:
Democrats had better seriously consider the mid-term ramifications of not seating Kavanaugh. A lot of the reason that an incumbent President’s party loses seats is due to complacency. Blocking a SCOTUS nomination in such an overtly partisan way is a sure way to a awaken the masses.
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The masses don't want Kavanaugh
 
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volinbham said:
"A federal law enforcement official told Fox News Ford's insistence on a FBI probe is "totally inappropriate."
"It's totally inappropriate for someone to demand we use law enforcement resources to investigate a 35-year-old allegation when she won't go under oath and can't remember key details including when or where it happened," the official said.
A highly-placed law enforcement source also said there won’t be a FBI investigation because there are no allegations a federal crime was committed. The bureau has also already conducted a background investigation.
“This is a political issue, not a law enforcement one,” the law enforcement source said."

"The FBI has indicated to the committee and in public statements that it considers the matter closed," Grassley and other top Republicans wrote. "The FBI does not make credibility determinations. The FBI provides information on a confidential basis in order for decision makers to determine an individual’s suitability. The Senate has the information it needs to follow up with witnesses and gather and assess the relevant evidence."

Trump says ‘we'll have to make a decision’ on Kavanaugh’s future if accuser gives ‘credible’ testimony
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Who is this law enforcement source?
 
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evillawyer said:
Again, this is not a trial and there is no bar on hearsay. It's not any sort of legal proceeding (although witness to the Senate are under oath). The statement that "many of us heard about it at school," if true, does corroborate Ford's story. Corroborate simply means to add support to a claim.
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I didn't say that your use of "corroborating" was incorrect, I said it was careless. "Many of us heard about it in school..." is a claim to second-hand hearsay at best, or many levels of hearsay at worst. Claiming that a rumor existed is corroborative, but it's about the least helpful type of corroboration one can produce.
 
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bamawriter said:
With you being a lawyer, I'm surprised you're so careless with a word like "corroborating."

Despite the length of the letter, the entirety of the "corroboration" is this sentence and a half: "This incident did happen. Many of us heard about it at school..."

Who did Ms King hear it from? What did that person know of the incident and how did he or she know it?

She spends more time talking about getting stood up by Mark Judge than she does "corroborating" the incident. I also find it interesting that she asked a guy to prom despite having heard that he participated in an attempted sexual assault.
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Yeah, he isn't a lawyer...
 
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evillawyer said:
Again, this is not a trial and there is no bar on hearsay. It's not any sort of legal proceeding (although witness to the Senate are under oath). The statement that "many of us heard about it at school," if true, does corroborate Ford's story. Corroborate simply means to add support to a claim.

corroborate Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary.

Definition of CORROBORATE

corroborate | Definition of corroborate in English by Oxford Dictionaries

Suppose you say you had Thanksgiving dinner with your relatives last year. But your wife adamantly maintains you skipped out on the dinner. I have no further information. But then your work friends tell me that you went on and on the following Monday about how insufferable it was to be with your relatives for Thanksgiving dinner. That story corroborates your claim that you had Thanksgiving dinner with your relatives last year. Does it definitively prove or establish it? No. But it certainly lends support--i.e., corroborates--your account.
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How does it corroborate her story when her story was she told no one? Seems to contradict her story.
 
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evillawyer said:
Again, this is not a trial and there is no bar on hearsay. It's not any sort of legal proceeding (although witness to the Senate are under oath). The statement that "many of us heard about it at school," if true, does corroborate Ford's story. Corroborate simply means to add support to a claim.

corroborate Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary.

Definition of CORROBORATE

corroborate | Definition of corroborate in English by Oxford Dictionaries

Suppose you say you had Thanksgiving dinner with your relatives last year. But your wife adamantly maintains you skipped out on the dinner. I have no further information. But then your work friends tell me that you went on and on the following Monday about how insufferable it was to be with your relatives for Thanksgiving dinner. That story corroborates your claim that you had Thanksgiving dinner with your relatives last year. Does it definitively prove or establish it? No. But it certainly lends support--i.e., corroborates--your account.
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Why do you keep trolling this crap. She's been called out for her story not jiving and she's on the back peddle now.
 
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JCP201 said:
The truth is, even if Democrats win by a landslide, the President is still going to pick a Republican type nominee. Isn't it better to make sure this guy is fit to be on our Supreme Court for years to come?
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The Democrats are hoping to vote down any nomination and forestall it to 2020 and invoke the McConnell Rule.

Doing so will kill any chance they have of holding the Senate majority for a decade or more.
 
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Weezer said:
How does it corroborate her story when her story was she told no one? Seems to contradict her story.
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Here's her letter. Where does she say she never told anyone about this?

Dear Senator Feinstein;

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.
As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of REDACTED.

Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6 I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information . It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently REDACTED and will be in REDACTED.

In confidence, REDACTED.
 
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hog88 said:
The masses?
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I think he's in Bork territory currently in terms of popularity. And boy, let me tell, you still hear the masses going on and on about how we should have had Bork. Oh wait, that's just the Federalist Society.
 
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evillawyer said:
Here's her letter. Where does she say she never told anyone about this?

Dear Senator Feinstein;

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.
As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of REDACTED.

Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6 I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information . It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently REDACTED and will be in REDACTED.

In confidence, REDACTED.
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Opinion | Kavanaugh’s accuser steps forward

Link to the WaPo article where she said she told no one about this until 2012 when she was in therapy.
 
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Let's say hypothetically that the allegation is true. Do we want to live in a country where, despite living a clean, charitable life for 30+ years, one mistake as a 17 year old kid can ruin your entire career?

There's a reason why juveniles are able to have their criminal records sealed at 18.

If K doesn't get voted in, his career will be destroyed over a random allegation, and Republicans will have a motivation to get out and vote in November.
 
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Biden Ditches 'Innocent Until Proven Guilty,' Apologizes For His Treatment Of Anita Hill

In response to the Brett Kavanaugh accusation, former Vice President and potential presidential hopeful Joe Biden suggested Monday that women who accuse national figures should be presumed to be telling the truth and offered another apology to Justice Clarence Thomas accuser Anita Hill for how he handled her hearing.

Similar to the eleventh-hour Kavanaugh accusation, Hill accused then-federal judge Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment during his confirmation process in 1991. Biden, who was serving as the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, presided over the Thomas hearings and came under heavy fire from the left for, as the Huffington Post puts it, "allowing ― and some said abetting ― an all-white and all-male committee to badger Hill with probing and skeptical questions."

Biden has since repented of his handling of Hill and did so again on Monday, adding a comment that flies in the face of "innocent until proven guilty."

Speaking at the residence of the U.S. ambassador to Ireland Monday, Biden insisted that he thought Hill "was telling the truth at the beginning ― I really did."

Women accusing men, particularly national figures, should be presumed to be telling the truth, he said. "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time," he said, the Washington Post reports. "But nobody fails to understand that this is like jumping into a cauldron."

Biden Ditches 'Innocent Until Proven Guilty,' Apologizes For His Treatment Of Anita Hill
 
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Grand Vol said:
The Democrats are hoping to vote down any nomination and forestall it to 2020 and invoke the McConnell Rule.

Doing so will kill any chance they have of holding the Senate majority for a decade or more.
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I really hope you are wrong. In other words, our government is completely broken.
 
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Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband.

Ford said she has not spoken with Kavanaugh since that night. And she told no one at the time what had happened to her. She was terrified, she said, that she would be in trouble if her parents realized she had been at a party where teenagers were drinking, and she worried they might figure it out even if she did not tell them.

“My biggest fear was, do I look like someone just attacked me?” she said. She said she recalled thinking: “I’m not ever telling anyone this. This is nothing, it didn’t happen, and he didn’t rape me.”
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California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault
 
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