Josh Dobbs over-rated.

[Biopsyman]

Neither will fix what cost UT that game. You CANNOT nurse 17 points for 3 qtrs into a win vs someone like Stoops. The probability of success is nil. You would have thought the UF game last year would have changed Jones considering the emotional impact... apparently not.

I agree.. All I am saying it that head coaches makes changes to thier staff to make someone else the fall guy.

 

[calban]

Dobbs doesn't have to be a superstar to win games.
Just needs to be consistent and efficient.
With a little help from friends and coaches next 10 games he can more than fit the bill.
Didn't get much of either after about the 12 minute mark of the last game.
Have to admit though, did think he was a better passer than he's shown so far.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

OU's OL isn't very good. They will cost them games. Jones once again gave an opponent more respect than they deserved and tried to manage the game... and lost.

BUT... Stoops still found ways to get his QB room to operate. You can do it with the performance of your OL's... or you can do it with scheme... like rolling the pocket, deeper drops, et al.

But Jones is stubborn about doing things his way.

If our receivers are as good as some here say they are...why don't we ever go shotgun and 4 wide?

Butch has his little offense but no coach runs every single play out of the same formation...this isn't highschool.

I believe good coaches improvise. I believe CBJ is a good coach. We have to get some shotgun or pistol formation plays ready for when the read option crap simply isn't working. Different opponents have different personnel. We have to adjust.

 

[GAVol]

He's always been overrated by this place, but he's still our best QB.

I think that's inevitable by fans with any dual threat guy. People are in love with the idea and overlook results a little.

 

[kwebbvols2344]

The play calling and constantly rotating receivers does not give them a chance to succeed.

 

[sjt18]

I agree.. All I am saying it that head coaches makes changes to thier staff to make someone else the fall guy.

Yeah. Mahoney's goose was probably cooked when DeBord was hired. He'd have to really do something special to save himself IMO.

 

[Jdh13579]

Honest question. Dobbs was praised all summer. He received high praise at the elite 11 camp... best QB there was one report.

So how do you "know" how good of a passer he is now? They sure haven't given him an opportunity to show anything so far this year. Maybe he's bad and they don't trust him... or maybe he's another victim of a HC who outsmarted himself with game strategy.

Just watch the games. He misses open guys a lot. Skips the ball on wide receiver screens. The pick in overtime, even butch said the ball came out too late. He's never been able to throw the deep ball. He's our best qb option and gives us the best chance to win, but it's no secret he struggles throwing the football.

 

[BanditVol]

He has started two seasons, but actually relatively few games and he has a new OC this year.

His performance starting in the mid-second quarter was not good and a cause for concern, but there is a lot of football left and he can and hopefully will improve.

The staff could probably help him avoid pressure caused by our still overmatched (but improved) OL with more quick slants and screens and so forth, but he should get better as the year progresses, as should the OL and hopefully the WRs.

The WRs are the biggest head scratcher to me...we have tons of talent there and yet they still underperform.

 

[screenthis]

Whether it's Dobbs, the coaching schemes, or the OL, things do suck right now for the wide receivers and I hope we don't start seeing defections. Malone, North, and Pearson have NFL type talent. They're definitely not going to be happy if they aren't able to display that talent.

For me, the Oklahoma game though was mostly about coaching. Move Dobbs around more, run schemes to make the passing game more of a threat. When teams have to focus on our running backs, Dobbs mobility, and great receivers, we become almost unguardable. This past week? We ran schemes that were easy to contain.

 

[sjt18]

Just watch the games. He misses open guys a lot. Skips the ball on wide receiver screens. The pick in overtime, even butch said the ball came out too late. He's never been able to throw the deep ball. He's our best qb option and gives us the best chance to win, but it's no secret he struggles throwing the football.

Every QB misses open receivers. You'll have to prove "a lot" for this season because I don't believe that's true. MOST of his incompletions came on throw aways or those stupid screens they kept calling.

IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN OVERTIME. If you give him some throws in favorable field position in the 2nd qtr then you get a couple of benefits. One, maybe UT hits a big one. Throw up a 50/50 ball from the 45 down to about the 10... the worst case is you have the equivalent of a great punt. Two, safeties have to play on their heels and the DC can't blitz CB's to stop the run.

For whatever reason, Jones apparently believes he can run the ball without passing it down field... though proven wrong time and time again.

 

[McDad]

OU's OL isn't very good. They will cost them games. Jones once again gave an opponent more respect than they deserved and tried to manage the game... and lost.

BUT... Stoops still found ways to get his QB room to operate. You can do it with the performance of your OL's... or you can do it with scheme... like rolling the pocket, deeper drops, et al.

But Jones is stubborn about doing things his way.

There are coaching elements which need improvement if this team hopes to make a run at the SEC east. However, Josh had a terrible game in the second half. Stoops didnt give his QB room to operate. That kid was pressured, chased, and touched just like Dobbs was. The difference was Mayfield (sp?) eluded the defenders, broke tackles, extended plays with his legs and kept his eyes down field. His passes weren't perfect (like the BG QB) but he put those passes where his receivers could make a play. Is Mayfield more mobile than Dobbs? I doubt it. Dobbs strength is his running ability but his glaring weakness are passes beyond 10 yards. I am doubtful Dobb's accuracy will improve significantly over this year. What can improve is: better OL play (especially the right side) and receivers fighting to get open. That is our only hope of loosening up the opposition's defense to capatilize on our team strength which is running the football. Our team is desgned to run and no coaching improvements or playcalling change is going to alter this fact.

When we did the "how do you gameplan against UT thread" in the offseason, our posters' strategy is exactly what OU did. Until Josh Dobbs can use his mobility to extend a play TO HIT an open WR or TE with a moderately deep pass, UT is one dimensional and beatable by good defenses. And, UF is precisely that. If our offense performs against UF like they did against OU, we will lose that game (unless we can dominate UF's struggling offense and win the special team's battle).

 

[sjt18]

And another thing, when was the last time you saw Jones' passing scheme get a guy wide open in space? Others do it on a regular basis with lesser athletes. Why can't UT?

 

[ToptheTerrible]

By chance, did you watch the South Carolina game from last season?

I think this line of thinking is foolish. I've watched that game 5 times and we won that game with a huge pile of luck pure and simple.

I think that stat was the Vols had less than a 1% chance of winning once we were down that last 14 point spread.

Sure Dobbs helped win that game but to extrapolate that miracle out as how Dobbs will perform weekly is a bit much.

He is certainly our starter but he was truly rattled Saturday. He was far less poised than the OU QB who was under the same pressure.

 

[sjt18]

There are coaching elements which need improvement if this team hopes to make a run at the SEC east. However, Josh had a terrible game in the second half. Stoops didnt give his QB room to operate. That kid was pressured, chased, and touched just like Dobbs was. The difference was Mayfield (sp?) eluded the defenders, broke tackles, extended plays with his legs and kept his eyes down field. He passes weren't perfect (like the BG QB) but he put those passes where his receivers could make a play. Is Mayfield more mobile than Dobbs? I doubt it. Dobbs strength is his running ability but his glaring weakness are passes beyond 10 yards. I am doubtful Dobb's accuracy will improve significantly over this year. What can improve is: better OL play (especially the right side) and receivers fighting to get open. That is our only hope of loosening up the opposition's defense to capatilize on our team strength which is running the football. Our team is desgned to run and no coaching improvements or playcalling change is going to alter this fact.

When we did the "how do you gameplan against UT thread" in the offseason, our posters' strategy is exactly what OU did. Until Josh Dobbs can use his mobility to extend a play TO HIT an open WR or TE with a moderately deep pass, UT is one dimensional and beatable by good defenses. And, UF is precisely that. If our offense performs against UF like they did against OU we will lose that game (unless we can dominate UF's struggling offense and win the special team's battle).

OU rolled the pocket. Plus... Stoops put the ball in Mayfield's hands and said "I believe in you. Go win it". Dobbs doesn't enjoy that kind of confidence from the coaches apparently. If he doesn't... then they either need to start showing it or replace him. UT NEEDS a passing threat to keep run lanes open.

 

[McDad]

And another thing, when was the last time you saw Jones' passing scheme get a guy wide open in space? Others do it on a regular basis with lesser athletes. Why can't UT?

This is a great question. I wish the reporters would ask these types of Qs.

Are our receivers any less talented, any slower, or any less capable than the BG kid? Are they a step down compared to OU's? I don't believe they are.

 

[EZE]

Why in the world would a fan of OUR team start a thread with this title. It is okay to say, "JD had a bad game" or something like that, but to post that title goes too far IMO. Players, recruits and their families read these boards. Do you think you are helping our cause by posting crap like this?

And, I have news for you. Even the great great ones have bad games. Is Peyton Manning "overrated" because of his performance yesterday?

 

[McDad]

OU rolled the pocket. Plus... Stoops put the ball in Mayfield's hands and said "I believe in you. Go win it". Dobbs doesn't enjoy that kind of confidence from the coaches apparently. If he doesn't... then they either need to start showing it or replace him. UT NEEDS a passing threat to keep run lanes open.

I agree. Has Dobbs convinced you to have confidence i him to win the game with his arm? Against any defense worth its salt, he hasn't instilled confidence in me. Is it the coaches or is it him or a combination...i don't know.

 

[hndog609]

His down field passing could use some work, but I don't remember people calling him out when he passed and then ran for a TD.

He was NOT the problem Saturday. The problem was on the sidelines.

Sorry if this concern has already been posted but I wonder if this egg very much comes before the chicken. Is Dobbs limited by the sideline or does the sideline have some real concerns about what they know about Dobb's liabilities in the passing game, especially downfield?

 

[Biopsyman]

I agree. Has Dobbs convinced you to have confidence i him to win the game with his arm? Against any defense worth its salt, he hasn't instilled confidence in me. Is it the coaches or is it him or a combination...i don't know.

Hard to evaluate him with a weak line

 

[walkenvol]

Stoops didnt give his QB room to operate. That kid was pressured, chased, and touched just like Dobbs was. The difference was Mayfield (sp?) eluded the defenders, broke tackles, extended plays with his legs and kept his eyes down field. His passes weren't perfect (like the BG QB) but he put those passes where his receivers could make a play.

This...Mayfield was the difference in this game. Both defenses were applying pressure. Mayfield proved to be able to make more plays after the protection broke down vs Dobbs. Obviously there's a reason Mayfield was able to walk on and unseat a multiple year starting QB. I like Dobbs passing when he not under duress but not so much once he's pressured. He can improve and he's a bright fellow so there's hope for progress.

Iowa and BG made us hope our OL had improved significantly but sadly they are only slightly better than 2014. We're probably going to have to wait on some younger talent to develop to make much progress in this area?

 

[fade route]

That is EXACTLY what we saw for 3 qtrs.

I didn't say middle of the field. You throw a fade or just a fly to the sideline. Make sure to throw it deep and to the sideline where only your guy can make a play. In cover 2, hit the middle seam early with a slot guy or TE. This is fairly routine stuff. If Dobbs really, really can't handle it then maybe it IS time for a QB competition.... but I suspect that he can.

As far as "scary" is concerned... it scares the crap out of me when I see Jones go into "game managment" with his offensive playcalling and worse yet vs a good team.

Why in the world would a fan of OUR team start a thread with this title. It is okay to say, "JD had a bad game" or something like that, but to post that title goes too far IMO. Players, recruits and their families read these boards. Do you think you are helping our cause by posting crap like this?

And, I have news for you. Even the great great ones have bad games. Is Peyton Manning "overrated" because of his performance yesterday?

Complete garbage. It's a message board, grow up.


Didn't mean to quote the first post. Only the second ridiculous one.

 

[volomon]

His down field passing could use some work, but I don't remember people calling him out when he passed and then ran for a TD.

He was NOT the problem Saturday. The problem was on the sidelines.

Dobbs vs oklahoma reminded me of Heath Shuler trying to please norv Turner with the redskins. Over coached to be a type of QB that he isnt, rather than playing to his strengths

 

[EZE]

Complete garbage. It's a message board, grow up.


Didn't mean to quote the first post. Only the second ridiculous one.

Oh, I think you are one of the ones who needs to grow up. I've seen your tantrums on here, too.

 

[photovol]

It's Dobbs or bust for the young Vols in 2015.....it is what it is...
Dobbs is only a small part of the Vols problems, no?
Coaching is another problem for the Vols, no?

Reality has set in, with all the great recruiting the Vols may still finish just above .500 winning percentage

 

[McDad]

Hard to evaluate him with a weak line

I disagree to an extent. It is hard to eval a stationary QB like worley with a weak O line. Dobbs' strength is his mobility. He is supposed to have an advantage when the line falters or the play needs an extra second or two to develop. I know he can pass deep because of the reports coming out of camp and practices. There is something different in the pressure of game time though. Ironically, i think his running improves when the lights are on compared to practice. Debord was supposedly helping a ton with Josh's offseason mechanics and fundamentals. Where is the evidence that it is helping?