Josh Dobbs over-rated.

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I can't decide at this point about Dobbs. You hear how his accuracy has improved, but you really didn't see that Saturday, or more importantly GET an opportunity to see it based on the play calling. I have to believe he has improved and really if you think about it, we really just need him to be accurate 10-15 yds, 20 max, to move the ball and create issues for the defense. It will be interesting to see how the next couple of games play out. If the staff was smart (which is up for debate after this weekend), they would let him fling it this weekend to get good game practice and build his confidence, along with building some game speed timing with his WRs.... Hopefully the staff takes my assessment into consideration!
 
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walkenvol said:
This...Mayfield was the difference in this game. Both defenses were applying pressure. Mayfield proved to be able to make more plays after the protection broke down vs Dobbs. Obviously there's a reason Mayfield was able to walk on and unseat a multiple year starting QB. I like Dobbs passing when he not under duress but not so much once he's pressured. He can improve and he's a bright fellow so there's hope for progress.

Iowa and BG made us hope our OL had improved significantly but sadly they are only slightly better than 2014. We're probably going to have to wait on some younger talent to develop to make much progress in this area?
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I agree. Mayfield looks very special. He would not be denied and his team rallied around him. Dobbs has that ability. We see flashes of it. He can do it, i know he can. Just need to see him realize his potential when the pressure is on.
 
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McDad said:
I disagree to an extent. It is hard to eval a stationary QB like worley with a weak O line. Dobbs' strength is his mobility. He is supposed to have an advantage when the line falters or the play needs an extra second or two to develop. I know he can pass deep because of the reports coming out of camp and practices. There is something different in the pressure of game time though. Ironically, i think his running improves when the lights are on compared to practice. Debord was supposedly helping a ton with Josh's offseason mechanics and fundamentals. Where is the evidence that it is helping?
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We might be ok on the left left but the right side looked really bad. The point is that is is very difficult to win in this league against upper tier teams with a average or below average OL.
 
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McDad said:
I agree. Mayfield looks very special. He would not be denied and his team rallied around him. Dobbs has that ability. We see flashes of it. He can do it, i know he can. Just need to see him realize his potential when the pressure is on.
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How many of our starting OL have a shot at the NFL? Robertson is perhaps the only one.... To early to tell about thomas and the other 3 unlikely
 
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There are some throws that Dobbs really seem to struggle with. For example, have we ever seen him come even close to completing a long pass over the defense to outside shoulder to someone streaking down the sidelines? Which happens to be where North would be at his best. I think Dobbs' inability to make that type of throw is why North does not see the ball much. Also, that happened to be Worleys best throw which is probably why North did well his freshmen year (remember SCjr game winning catch - that's the type of throw Dobbs does not seem to ever make and this has nothing to with offensive line problems or receivers not getting open either - this is all on Dobbs since we know Worley could do it with the same offensive line and WR's).
 
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Biopsyman said:
We might be ok on the left left but the right side looked really bad. The point is that is is very difficult to win in this league against upper tier teams with a average or below average OL.
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I misunderstood your post. My apologies. I agree, it is very difficult to win against the big boys without consistent o line play. Our left side and center look very capable so far. The right side is underwhelming. And it begs the question, can the right side improve? Do we need to tweak our personnel groupings? Modify our schemes to offset the weakness? Call plays which use that weakness as an opportunity (rub plays, chip plays, seam routes, etc)? All of the above?
 
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Many posters here now acknowledge what others have taken a beating for posting all offseason:

We have to improve the vertical passing game or we are dead in the water. Aside from losing, it will also make for some very boring games to watch once league play starts if we are rinning the ball off tackle every first and second down. There will be 8 men in the box until we torch some corners in man coverage. Then on 3rd they will play nickel and know exactly what is coming when a pass is the only option.

Wonder what our offensive staff is working on this morning? Please let it be some new formations and plays designed to stretch the field. Please Butch be humble enough to see where the problems are with our current plays and personnel.
 
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From an OU fan perspective:

I believe anybody can go all day long, speaking about coulda, woulda and shoulda.
I have been following the last couple of years on this board and one of the things that stands out to me is this: Is Dobbs the starter because he is the only one with experience? I like the kid, I think he has upsides to him. I just don't know if Jones and his staff are doing everything to put the kid in position to make ydg and sustain drives. To me, it seems that what was working for Dobbs last season (he WAS 6-1, regardless of the competition), your OC has decided he's not capable of doing this year?? Realize it's new OC and all. I know that in Riley's system, the formations are signaled in and the QB makes the play call. Right now, with our inexperienced line and WR corps that is still trying to find it's groove, I would imagine that Riley is still doing most of the formations AND play calling. Mayfield DID exhibit some audibles that worked out. Dobbs is too smart of a kid not to give some leeway in calling plays. I don't know if that is what is happening but I did notice Dobbs spending a lot of time looking to the sideline for signals. I get the impression that Debord isn't comfortable with Dobbs making audibles or what??
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's OL isn't very good. They will cost them games. Jones once again gave an opponent more respect than they deserved and tried to manage the game... and lost.

BUT... Stoops still found ways to get his QB room to operate. You can do it with the performance of your OL's... or you can do it with scheme... like rolling the pocket, deeper drops, et al.

But Jones is stubborn about doing things his way.
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This is exactly what it is.
 
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TGVol said:
There are some throws that Dobbs really seem to struggle with. For example, have we ever seen him come even close to completing a long pass over the defense to outside shoulder to someone streaking down the sidelines? Which happens to be where North would be at his best. I think Dobbs' inability to make that type of throw is why North does not see the ball much. Also, that happened to be Worleys best throw which is probably why North did well his freshmen year (remember SCjr game winning catch - that's the type of throw Dobbs does not seem to ever make and this has nothing to with offensive line problems or receivers not getting open either - this is all on Dobbs since we know Worley could do it with the same offensive line and WR's).
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Good points. North is entirely different with Dobbs compared to Worley. What's confusing is we heard in camp that Josh's accuracy was improved and that CMD helped his mechanics. None of that was evident on Saturday.
 
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McDad said:
I agree. Mayfield looks very special. He would not be denied and his team rallied around him. Dobbs has that ability. We see flashes of it. He can do it, i know he can. Just need to see him realize his potential when the pressure is on.
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I dunno. I saw him miss a ton of wide open WRs, actually.
 
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McDad said:
I misunderstood your post. My apologies. I agree, it is very difficult to win against the big boys without consistent o line play. Our left side and center look very capable so far. The right side is underwhelming. And it begs the question, can the right side improve? Do we need to tweak our personnel groupings? Modify our schemes to offset the weakness? Call plays which use that weakness as an opportunity (rub plays, chip plays, seam routes, etc)? All of the above?
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I would love to see Jack Jones and Richmond play a lot in the 2nd half this weekend to see if they can play later this year or are they all about next year and beyond. I think Kendrick is like Kyberson l.. A guard playing tackle. Not a good fit. We are suffering bad without a lot of options at tackle.
 
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fade route said:
If you remember, he pretty much won the game at SC last year all by himself. Right now he is being hamstrung by atrocious game planning and play calling. He isn't the problem, trust me.
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I agree..... Even Samson crumbled when the temple caved in on him
 
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BudBarry said:
From an OU fan perspective:

I believe anybody can go all day long, speaking about coulda, woulda and shoulda.
I have been following the last couple of years on this board and one of the things that stands out to me is this: Is Dobbs the starter because he is the only one with experience? I like the kid, I think he has upsides to him. I just don't know if Jones and his staff are doing everything to put the kid in position to make ydg and sustain drives. To me, it seems that what was working for Dobbs last season (he WAS 6-1, regardless of the competition), your OC has decided he's not capable of doing this year?? Realize it's new OC and all. I know that in Riley's system, the formations are signaled in and the QB makes the play call. Right now, with our inexperienced line and WR corps that is still trying to find it's groove, I would imagine that Riley is still doing most of the formations AND play calling. Mayfield DID exhibit some audibles that worked out. Dobbs is too smart of a kid not to give some leeway in calling plays. I don't know if that is what is happening but I did notice Dobbs spending a lot of time looking to the sideline for signals. I get the impression that Debord isn't comfortable with Dobbs making audibles or what??
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Mayfield was impressive. Kid has the intangibles, the "it" factor, or something because we had him dead to rights for several sacks and he fought through. Our DEs are not scrubs, either. Dobbs has the intelligence to call plays. Im not sure that's how this offense is designed, though.
 
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BanditVol said:
I dunno. I saw him miss a ton of wide open WRs, actually.
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I haven't rewatched. He was a different dude in the fourth quarter. Our defenseive unit being gassed didn't help, either. One thing, Mayfield never gave up. Never showed defeated body language. Never seemed to lose confidence. I can see why he is the starter after walking on. Their other QB, Trevor (?), ain't no slouch.
 
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Biopsyman said:
I would love to see Jack Jones and Richmond play a lot in the 2nd half this weekend to see if they can play later this year or are they all about next year and beyond. I think Kendrick is like Kyberson l.. A guard playing tackle. Not a good fit. We are suffering bad without a lot of options at tackle.
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I think we have got to use the W. Carolina game to get those guys in for evaluation. Also, we need to test some other MLBs next week. The way JRM played, almost want to see him in the MLB spot.
 
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McDad said:
Good points. North is entirely different with Dobbs compared to Worley. What's confusing is we heard in camp that Josh's accuracy was improved and that CMD helped his mechanics. None of that was evident on Saturday.
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Many are putting Dobbs in a good/bad category.
I've seen both. I'm sticking with inconsistent.
Sat. night was a poor performance imo but I've seen him "light it up" also.

In the end though, there was a long list of mistakes from coaches and players that went into that game.
 
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volomon said:
Dobbs vs oklahoma reminded me of Heath Shuler trying to please norv Turner with the redskins. Over coached to be a type of QB that he isnt, rather than playing to his strengths
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I hope you're wrong, but I'm afraid you're right.
 
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actually if you look at the last quarter and half, the coaching staff and Dobbs were at a loss of what to do. No sign of a plan, a time out with a strategy talk would probably have saved the game.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Seems like we need to do more cross route/seem routes to use our WR speed
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Seam routes, yes. Heck, if we simply isolated our fastest WR one on one and had him streak for Josh to air it out once or twice, it would keep the defense more honest and help our short pass/running game.
 
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chargervol said:
Many are putting Dobbs in a good/bad category.
I've seen both. I'm sticking with inconsistent.
Sat. night was a poor performance imo but I've seen him "light it up" also.

In the end though, there was a long list of mistakes from coaches and players that went into that game.
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Im with you on the "inconsistent" observation. Even though it was a total team failure from coaches on down the line, the most important position is QB. We saw how gutsy QB play can radically alter a game. We've seen it from Dobbs. We saw it with Mayfield.
 
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