Josh Dobbs over-rated.

#27
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volfanbill said:
Dobbs has never been accurate throwing the ball down the field. Looking at stays against awful USCe and Iowa teams is laughable and shows how delusional so much of this fan base is.
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He doesn't have to be. He just needs to throw it down field often enough to prevent opponents from playing everyone within 7 yds of the LOS... like OU did for about 3 qtrs. As long as he never under throws it... UT can benefit even if they almost never hit a big play.

This is part of what makes Wisconsin's run game work so well. Every now and again, they take a shot over the top.

Jones gave OU no reason at all to play back.
 
#28
#28
Qb gets all the press...cover of the magazines and credit when they win. They shoulder a good portion of the blame when they lose. That's the way it is. Dobbs played his worst game as a VOL saturday. Iowa and scarolina were his best.

You guys want to crown him as all sec and Heisman material in the off season ...it's fair to criticize his play when he sucks. Nobody is attacking his character. Nobody I have seen is calling for the backup.

He completed less than half his passes and like always the vast majority of those were bubble screens and safety valves. It is what it is. I will say that he avoided many sacks and looked good running for that touchdown.

The bottom line is the blueprint to beat this team is out there. 8 men in the box and discipline outside to lookout for the screen. We use the screen pass WAY TOO MANY SCREENS. That is on coaches. Some of Dobbs throw aways were because he turned to throw the screen and there was a linebacker standing there waiting for the ball. We have got to do better.

In my opinion until Dobbs shows that he can complete the post and deep out routes over the top...our passing game will go nowhere. The hard part about that is a deep post is a low percentage play even for QBS with more arm talent than Dobbs. We are going to struggle unless we can run the ball so well that play action works.
 
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Jdh13579 said:
Why doesn't Dobbs get any blame? He's the best fit for our offense because of his legs, but he's a below average passer. Sure he looks great against The no names we beat. He has yet to win a big game. Mizzou dominated him like ou did for most of the game. When we needed a big play he was nowhere to be found. Blame play calling all you want but your qb has to make big plays in big games. Looks very average to me. Just my opinion of course but I don't see the hype with this guy. Ou is just one game and he has all year to progress but I don't see him being able to beat any of the big boys on a big stage.
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It's Monday. Please feel free to find any of the 20 threads already discussing this. Otherwise focus on the week ahead. There is only so long you can whine
 
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Biopsyman said:
The issue that hold this team back in the OL period. Look for Jones to fire Majoney to save his own bacon
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OU's OL isn't very good. They will cost them games. Jones once again gave an opponent more respect than they deserved and tried to manage the game... and lost.

BUT... Stoops still found ways to get his QB room to operate. You can do it with the performance of your OL's... or you can do it with scheme... like rolling the pocket, deeper drops, et al.

But Jones is stubborn about doing things his way.
 
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sjt18 said:
He doesn't have to be. He just needs to throw it down field often enough to prevent opponents from playing everyone within 7 yds of the LOS... like OU did for about 3 qtrs. As long as he never under throws it... UT can benefit even if they almost never hit a big play.

This is part of what makes Wisconsin's run game work so well. Every now and again, they take a shot over the top.

Jones gave OU no reason at all to play back.
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Yes he does. Otherwise you just cram the line of scrimmage and eliminate the run, screen pass and read option. Suddenly our offense is stalled. There's nothing scarier than an over thrown ball in the middle of the field.
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's OL isn't very good. They will cost them games. Jones once again gave an opponent more respect than they deserved and tried to manage the game... and lost.

BUT... Stoops still found ways to get his QB room to operate. You can do it with the performance of your OL's... or you can do it with scheme... like rolling the pocket, deeper drops, et al.

But Jones is stubborn about doing things his way.
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Don't you think though that OU didn't really have a lot of success until late 4th quarter when the impact of not having Maggitt and O'Brien in the rotation started showing up? I'm not sure OU really schemed us as much as Mayfield just gutted it out and made a few plays once our defense was gassed.
 
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I think he can be a very good quarterback.
He is inaccurate with the long ball. He has good arm strength.
I blame this on Debord. They, "Dobbs and receivers", should be practicing the long pass relentlessly until his accuracy improves.
The problem with not having a long ball threat is the opposing defenses don`t have to worry about it and can stack the box on us slowing our run game.
IMHO, if our OL would pick it up a notch and keep defenders out of Dobbs face, and Dobbs long ball accuracy improves, we could have a very good offense.
We have some good receivers that will help Dobbs.
Why not strive to improve this aspect of the game.
Nowdays, a team has to do everything well to move to the top.
 
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#37
Premature. He didn't have his best game, but where was his help? The OL, WR and coaching staff all contributed to the offensive offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
OU's OL isn't very good. They will cost them games. Jones once again gave an opponent more respect than they deserved and tried to manage the game... and lost.

BUT... Stoops still found ways to get his QB room to operate. You can do it with the performance of your OL's... or you can do it with scheme... like rolling the pocket, deeper drops, et al.

But Jones is stubborn about doing things his way.
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We either need better players or better coaching on the OL.. Either way Mahoney's seat will get real hot
 
#39
#39
I think Dobbs gives us the best chance to win but at the same time.. When Florida, bama, Arkansas, Georgia puts 7-8 in the box and presses our receivers who's going to get them the ball? Dobbs is an average passer at very best and throws the ball late a lot. Our o line is weak, our qb isn't a good thrower. All we have is quick hitters and screen plays to work with. As A vol I'm scared our run game will get taken away in sec play and Dobbs will have to win games with his arm, and I know how that movie will play out vs top notch dbs. It's concerning as a vol fan.
 
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Jdh13579 said:
Why doesn't Dobbs get any blame? He's the best fit for our offense because of his legs, but he's a below average passer. Sure he looks great against The no names we beat. He has yet to win a big game. Mizzou dominated him like ou did for most of the game. When we needed a big play he was nowhere to be found. Blame play calling all you want but your qb has to make big plays in big games. Looks very average to me. Just my opinion of course but I don't see the hype with this guy. Ou is just one game and he has all year to progress but I don't see him being able to beat any of the big boys on a big stage.
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I bet calling out the QB will help us win games the rest of the season. I guess we'll be saying we need to play a different QB next
 
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GAVol said:
Don't you think though that OU didn't really have a lot of success until late 4th quarter when the impact of not having Maggitt and O'Brien in the rotation started showing up? I'm not sure OU really schemed us as much as Mayfield just gutted it out and made a few plays once our defense was gassed.
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Our coverage must've been pretty good considering he had to start running the ball to gain any yards.
 
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volfanbill said:
Yes he does. Otherwise you just cram the line of scrimmage and eliminate the run, screen pass and read option. Suddenly our offense is stalled. There's nothing scarier than an over thrown ball in the middle of the field.
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That is EXACTLY what we saw for 3 qtrs.

I didn't say middle of the field. You throw a fade or just a fly to the sideline. Make sure to throw it deep and to the sideline where only your guy can make a play. In cover 2, hit the middle seam early with a slot guy or TE. This is fairly routine stuff. If Dobbs really, really can't handle it then maybe it IS time for a QB competition.... but I suspect that he can.

As far as "scary" is concerned... it scares the crap out of me when I see Jones go into "game managment" with his offensive playcalling and worse yet vs a good team.
 
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Biopsyman said:
We either need better players or better coaching on the OL.. Either way Mahoney's seat will get real hot
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Neither will fix what cost UT that game. You CANNOT nurse 17 points for 3 qtrs into a win vs someone like Stoops. The probability of success is nil. You would have thought the UF game last year would have changed Jones considering the emotional impact... apparently not.
 
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Jdh13579 said:
Why doesn't Dobbs get any blame? He's the best fit for our offense because of his legs, but he's a below average passer. Sure he looks great against The no names we beat. He has yet to win a big game. Mizzou dominated him like ou did for most of the game. When we needed a big play he was nowhere to be found. Blame play calling all you want but your qb has to make big plays in big games. Looks very average to me. Just my opinion of course but I don't see the hype with this guy. Ou is just one game and he has all year to progress but I don't see him being able to beat any of the big boys on a big stage.
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:crazy:
 
#50
#50
Jdh13579 said:
Dobbs is an average passer at very best and throws the ball late a lot.
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Honest question. Dobbs was praised all summer. He received high praise at the elite 11 camp... best QB there was one report.

So how do you "know" how good of a passer he is now? They sure haven't given him an opportunity to show anything so far this year. Maybe he's bad and they don't trust him... or maybe he's another victim of a HC who outsmarted himself with game strategy.
 
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